08-09-2003 10:46									#1
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Since our key civ are the Greeks, with 22 technologies, and ourselves, with 44, it has been suggested that we techgift them to decrease the number of beakers required for our own research.

Given the militaristic bent of the Greeks, I feel this action unwise.

What say the people?

	08-09-2003 10:51									#2
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I say we gift like crazy. We'll learn Fundy faster, and then it won't matter that they have our old, secular techs.

	08-09-2003 11:19									#3
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We should gift them, but only if the techs we give are not key to their defense or offense (like gunpowder). Don't give them any better governments either.

	08-09-2003 14:33									#4
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CF has my vote. I guess this goes in "I have a better idea"...?

	08-09-2003 14:53									#5
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Don't give them any techs( the first they will ask for will be gunpowder(conscription when we have that), and the second choice will most probably also be a millitary tech...) Unless we want to shorten our science rate but undo this by needing to improve our defence against the greek, it could have been a good idea.

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	08-09-2003 21:17									#6
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As Obiwan mentioned in his other thread the key-civ will change when we take out Washington.

Considdering this I'm against the gifting of any techs to those backward Greek pests.

	09-09-2003 03:55									#7
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If we *gift* techs to the Greeks, they have no say in what the gifts are. All they can do is refused to meet our Emissary to begin with, or they can refuse to accept a gift (before they find out what it is). It's different than offerring to *trade* techs.

So, we give then Mysticism, and Astronomy, and Theory of Gravity, etc. I don't think it will help them much. Part of the reason our research costs are so high is that the Greeks have so few techs.

	09-09-2003 04:06									#8
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear If we *gift* techs to the Greeks, they have no say in what the gifts are. All they can do is refused to meet our Emissary to begin with, or they can refuse to accept a gift (before they find out what it is). It's different than offerring to *trade* techs. So, we give then Mysticism, and Astronomy, and Theory of Gravity, etc. I don't think it will help them much. Part of the reason our research costs are so high is that the Greeks have so few techs.

euhm I though the scenario was a little different:
WE: want to donate gift
We: choose Tech
AI: would you like to teach us "This tech"
We: YES/No but what about this one/No way at all
AI: Thank you/ No way in hell/ so stop waisting my time

(with our first answer and the AI's first toghether, the seconds toghether and the thirds toghether)

So what do we do if our option is something like this(eg when we have conscription)

"Would you like to teach us the art of Conscription"
"No, but are you interested in the art of gunpowder/monotheism"

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	09-09-2003 04:14									#9
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I tested in on an old game, and you are completely correct. I don't know why I remembered the procedure wrong. When we did that before, I thought we just named the gift.



I change my vote. I do *not* want to give those militaristic and annoying Greeks any useful military techs!

	09-09-2003 08:52									#10
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*shrugs* So we give the Greeks Gunpowder. Their muskets won't do much good against the Dragoons and Cavalry we can send their way, later.

Put it another way... by the time we learn Fundy at the rate we're going, they may have Gunpowder/Mono anyway, either by researching it or by allying with the Americans.

And as for the key civ changing when we take Washington... taking Washington will take some time!

	09-09-2003 09:09									#11
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They haven't got very much so far, and they're still Despotic IIRC, so I don;t think we have a lot to fear science-wise from them left to their own devices, unless the Cabinet know something I don't...