10-09-2003 09:08									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Eldan: Good. I'd rather not have to be baptised a third time.

Already been baptised twice ??? I thought no christian denomination baptised you when you were already baptised in another but I guess I'm wrong

	10-09-2003 09:23									#32
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Mennonites re-baptise, because they require believer's baptism. They used to get burned for this long ago.

	10-09-2003 10:09									#33
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my church accepts some baptisms and not others

not sure what the difference is (I doubt if we accept Catholic ones)

note that this has fairly little bearing, the only person I knew who had troubels with this (did not want to rebaptise) was very active in the church (She was upset about the issue, but it did not limit what she could do, to my knowledge)

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	10-09-2003 10:12									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Does it apply to anyone seeking to convert to Roman Catholiism? I thought that Episcopals and Anglicans had only to renounce the Queen in favor of the Stuart pretender.

Good question. AFAIK baptism does not need to be redone if you belong to a mainstream church.

One interesting sidelight of this is the catholic church does have some married priests - convert priests from the Episcopalian/Anglican congregations. Their ordinations did not need to be redone AFAIK.

	10-09-2003 10:20									#35
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quote: One interesting sidelight of this is the catholic church does have some married priests - convert priests from the Episcopalian/Anglican congregations. Their ordinations did not need to be redone AFAIK.

Interesting. Do they have to remain celebate after their conversion or can they continue to have sex with the wife?

	10-09-2003 10:51									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: One interesting sidelight of this is the catholic church does have some married priests - convert priests from the Episcopalian/Anglican congregations. Their ordinations did not need to be redone AFAIK. Interesting. Do they have to remain celebate after their conversion or can they continue to have sex with the wife?

They can continue to have sex in this instance. We also have some married non-convert priests, priests from the Eastern Rites.(not talking about Orthodox, there are some Eastern Rite communities that are in communion with Rome)

	10-09-2003 10:54									#37
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quote: When was the last infalliable teaching of the Pope? They tend to refrain from speaking infalliably.

The last formal exercise of infallibilty as set according to the procedure of Vatican I IIRC was the assumption of the Virgin into heaven. What other teachings of the Church are infallible tends to be a matter of theological debate.

	10-09-2003 12:51									#38
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The ban on catholic priests marrying has NOTHING to do with scripture or religion.

Its similar to the eating fish on friday business

	10-09-2003 13:04									#39
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Its similar to the eating fish on friday business

That is no longer banned, it hasn't been for a few years IIRC

	10-09-2003 13:12									#40
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It was IIRC never banned, it was compulsory for catholics(although I'm not sure how it was policed) and it had nothing to do with the bible or scripture

	10-09-2003 13:25									#41
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger It was IIRC never banned, it was compulsory for catholics(although I'm not sure how it was policed) and it had nothing to do with the bible or scripture

I meant the "No meat on friday" rule is no longer compulsory, I typed banned by mistake.

BTW - It was no meat on friday - most people had Fish and Chips but that was never compulsory IIRC.

	10-09-2003 13:59									#42
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If you don't refrain from meat you're supposed to another penance.

My favorite is having beer with lunch

	10-09-2003 14:20									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse If you don't refrain from meat you're supposed to another penance. My favorite is having beer with lunch

As I said that is no longer a rule.

	10-09-2003 16:34									#44
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no its a still a rule.

	10-09-2003 16:36									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse no its a still a rule.

I have been told it isn't by multiple reliable sources.

	10-09-2003 16:38									#46
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it involves circumcision with a less than sharp kitchen knife

	10-09-2003 16:51									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion it involves circumcision with a less than sharp kitchen knife

Not true.

In case that wasn't obvious.

	10-09-2003 17:03									#48
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ah circumcision - at last a sensible threadjack

	10-09-2003 18:20									#49
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"The ban on catholic priests marrying has NOTHING to do with scripture or religion."

Correct, that is a discipline of the Church, not a moral rule.

"no its a still a rule."

Alexander's Horse is correct on this one, while abstaining from meat on Friday is no longer mandatory, you are supposed to do some other form of penance if you don't abstain from meat. As a practical matter though, few Catholics in this country follow this rule.

	10-09-2003 18:29									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Alexander's Horse is correct on this one, while abstaining from meat on Friday is no longer mandatory, you are supposed to do some other form of penance if you don't abstain from meat. As a practical matter though, few Catholics in this country follow this rule.

Woah, I'd only ever been told you no longer had to go without meat - I'd never been told you had to do something else. I better start doing something.

	10-09-2003 19:56									#51
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quote: was the assumption of the Virgin into heaven.

And on very dubious theological grounds. Vatican I really drove the two groups apart.

Vatican II is much nicer though.

Fish on Fridays?

I knew about lent, but I've never heard of this practice.
I remember taking up lunch during lent to my g/f, we both lived in the same dorm. Cheeseburgers. I had no idea about lent, so she had to promptly refuse.

Boy was I embarrassed.

	10-09-2003 20:21									#52
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quote: As a practical matter though, few Catholics in this country follow this rule.

Depends on the area . In Jersey DON'T order a pizza on a Friday night during lent... all the Catholics get pizza then .

	10-09-2003 21:05									#53
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*hits head*

Ah right, the relaxation of the no-eating meat during Fridays rule only applies during non-lent. During lent the no eating meat during fridays rule is still pretty well followed, it's just the non-lent time when Catholics become more lax.

	10-09-2003 21:07									#54
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Wait... you guys aren't supposed to eat meat on Fridays AT ALL? Not just during lent?

	10-09-2003 21:19									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Might be a better PM, but I'm interested in hearing more about the Rite of Christian Intiation for Adults.

Something about goat's blood and playing records backwards....

	10-09-2003 21:30									#56
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Eh, where's that "don't feed the troll" picture?

	10-09-2003 23:05									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Wait... you guys aren't supposed to eat meat on Fridays AT ALL? Not just during lent?

Before the Second Vatican Council, no. Now we have the option of doing some other form of penance on Friday. However, to my know most Catholics(Including myslef usually. I am not as good a Catholic as I should be, I admit) don't do any special penance on Friday when it is not lent.

	10-09-2003 23:42									#58
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Those rules are promulgated by the national councils of bishops. It might vary from Australia to the US, for instance.

	11-09-2003 03:16									#59
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not to mention the masons

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Good question. AFAIK baptism does not need to be redone if you belong to a mainstream church. One interesting sidelight of this is the catholic church does have some married priests - convert priests from the Episcopalian/Anglican congregations. Their ordinations did not need to be redone AFAIK.

With the recent controversy AKA the ordination of the gay bishop in New Hampshire there may be a lot more of that happening soon. I don't know if PECUSA will survive this year.