09-09-2003 17:57									#1
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With thanks to MrWIA doing the tech trade with Spain, (therefore remining me of this,) what to do with Spain?

Peace: Trade techs, luxurys, resources, etc...

War: we're going to have to wait until map making, and build some more cities, and get rid of the brabarins, before we do it,
*we could also wait until the next age or something...*

Thoes are your choices, and sorry about being late

EDIT: Forgot to say that you have 3days

	09-09-2003 18:05									#2
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Well we are bloodthirsty evil Vikings, so WAR!

But... not until we actually know their proper location, whether we can get to them or not, and we have actually built up some troops. So before the next age, but not right now.

	09-09-2003 18:44									#3
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War I say....

And MWIA is right. Until we know where we really stand we should remain peaceful.

	09-09-2003 19:40									#4
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I voted to keep the peace but I think that going to war in this Age would be better but I can't change my vote. I think talking about war with another civ on, what seems to be, another continent is kinda too early.

	09-09-2003 20:32									#5
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Personally, I feel that we should conquer them at the first available moment. If we are on different continents, then so much the better! That would then give us a foothold on another continent while seriously limiting their ability to counter attack. That small strip of ocean should not be intimidating, we're !

	09-09-2003 20:51									#6
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Im betting there's a closer civ (via land) that would better serve as our first target.

Besides, they look like a perfect target for Zerks.

	09-09-2003 20:55									#7
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I'd say wait to see the lay of the land. Like UnO says, there could be a more accessable target nearby.

	09-09-2003 21:24									#8
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We don't nothing about our island, even if it is an island. Let's wait some more turns, begin expanding and then we can target our first victim.
One thing is sure - we should destroy someone as soon as possible

	09-09-2003 21:28									#9
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Don't we need to know if there's a way to get to the Spainish without ships or not first?

	09-09-2003 21:48									#10
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Kinda early for this poll. First we need to explore. Then we kill off those who need killing.

	09-09-2003 21:53									#11
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Explore, explore, explore!! And then war, war, war!!

Once we find out how we stand on this continent we can make better plans, but I vote for at the very least getting some archers up and running soon for a resource denial/oscillating mini-war against our closest neighbor...whomever that happens to be.

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	09-09-2003 22:04									#12
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Wipe them out sometime, of course. But I agree that it's too early to tell when.

	09-09-2003 23:21									#13
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Hear hear, Rhothaerill! I think you say it best.

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	10-09-2003 04:45									#14
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Milk every nieghbor for everything they have till we know what the Geography of our position holds for us.

	10-09-2003 05:02									#15
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War in this age, for sure. We should destroy/almost destroy our closest neighbor as soon as we have the troops to do it. We still need to see a little more of our island and a little more of the Spanish neighborhood to pick a fist target.

	10-09-2003 06:50									#16
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Provided that we actually do have our own island, I would favour war quickly!

WAR!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! SLAUGHTER THE SPANISH.....

Take what they will not give us!

[cough]

And er.. yeah. Definitely war. Unless we find an easier target on land.

- Will

	11-09-2003 03:05									#17
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hi ,

after CB we can ask them for the alfabet , if they dont want to give it , ........


but no , why declare war , they cant touch us for now and sooner or later they are going to want to declare war on us , .....

why waste our time , let them declare war when they want , ......

have a nice day

	11-09-2003 03:23									#18
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I voted for war in this age because of sheer proximity, but it may have to wait for the next age if there are closer targets to confront in the present age.

	11-09-2003 08:08									#19
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Eh, you don't think that is too early for talking of war??.. let's wait for more turns and see what our future.. then war

	11-09-2003 09:10									#20
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It's a little too early to start talking about war, for reasons the others have said. So I'll abstain from this poll.

	11-09-2003 15:52									#21
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I really think we should wait until we have completed a military unit before we plan a war, 'cause right now that single barb warrior could destroy our race!!!

Lets expand and develop our own land first, settle all the good spots and build up a little infrastructure. When we have the means to train and deploy a proper army then we start getting demanding with the Spanish. There's no point in going to war without a good reason -at least more than just because they are there!! Above all if we do war we want it to be brief and decisive not drain our resourses for centuries - especially not if this is an archipelago map, we will be in slow tech hell.

Lets get some longboats built asap and find out where we are in the world and settle all we can before the AI does. Then we will be well placed to dominate the world with Berzerker's!!!

	11-09-2003 21:19									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny So I'll abstain from this poll.

In the poll, abstein is the same as "banana"

Banana for me, too.

	12-09-2003 09:41									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodeus Lets expand and develop our own land first, settle all the good spots and build up a little infrastructure. When we have the means to train and deploy a proper army then we start getting demanding with the Spanish. There's no point in going to war without a good reason -at least more than just because they are there!! Above all if we do war we want it to be brief and decisive not drain our resourses for centuries

The fact that Spain is there is plenty reason to go to war with them. While we sit back and settle open land and build improvements Spain will be getting stronger and stronger. (and our eventual war with them will get longer and longer) Early war need not be a drain on resources, as long as we're winning we'll be able to end it any time we choose.

Taking enemy cities can be a more efficient method of expansion than settling open territory. You don't have to build settlers, you should get some improved terrain and freebie workers, and (in this case) we want that low corruption land next to our capital.

Of course, if there's an eaisier target on our island it should be they who fall first.

	12-09-2003 19:33									#24
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Milk every nieghbor for everything they have till we know what the Geography of our position holds for us.

I thought you and Togas weren't supposed to help make decisions since you made the map? Is this advice from the world makers? If so, we should listen to them since they know where all the resources and other civs are at.

	14-09-2003 02:25									#25
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hi ,

we cant even protect ourselves from a couple barbs and some people are allready talking about war , .........

have a nice day

	14-09-2003 03:41									#26
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I thought you and Togas weren't supposed to help make decisions since you made the map? Is this advice from the world makers? If so, we should listen to them since they know where all the resources and other civs are at.

I don't think BigFree helped to make the map... I thought it was Togas and BigFurryMonster that made it.

	14-09-2003 07:37									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny I don't think BigFree helped to make the map... I thought it was Togas and BigFurryMonster that made it.

It was those two. BigFree is the SMC so he can certainly help decide our course of action.