10-09-2003 17:49									#1
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In Britain, we have the day before the month

Tomorrow is the anniversary, where have we come since then?

Where were you when the attacks happened. I remember being in a psychology lesson that tuesday, when my phone went off, someone text'd me just after the first plane hit saying that NY had been bombed. My cousin was in NY at the time, so I was pretty concerned, so I persuaded the teacher to turn on the TV (which we used to play videos of sick psychologists experiments at Stanford Uni in the 60's). I fashioned an aeriel out of my friends hairclip.

What significance do these attacks have now, if any. Are current international actions motivated by this? Do people agree with my position that the Americans should just get over it, stop the crocodile tears and the patriotic "safety blanket", and deal with an unclouded judgement.

Peace.

	10-09-2003 17:55									#2
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I was at home. Had an American friend over to stay. She was playing on the computer, in the early afternoon I was flicking around the TV. Saw some really impressive looking action movie effects on the TV, hung around to see what the film was.

Realised it was real.

Watched kind of stunned all afternoon as the second plane hit, then news came that the pentagon was hit. Never thought the towers would collapse. Was very emotional. My friend had family in the rough area where the 4th plane went down (they didn't seem to know where that was for ages) and more who worked for the Coast Guard, we didn't know if he was in DC or not at the time.

Probably the most unbelievable, distressing and shocking thing I've ever seen in my life.

	10-09-2003 17:57									#3
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copycat thread

	10-09-2003 17:57									#4
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We watched until both towers collapsed, basically it was a case of to hell with the lessons. I think we were all in a state of shock. I was more angry than most people, but I got over that as soon as philosophical reason took over. I thought I should say that in case some of the people who think I'm an Al Qaeda sympathiser believe I was dancing in the street and burning the US flag on September 12.

	10-09-2003 17:58									#5
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I didn't see the first?

	10-09-2003 17:59									#6
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quote: Originally posted by elijah Do people agree with my position that the Americans should just get over it.

Npoe, the USA will remain highly motivatied to destroy its enemies and the allies of our enemies for likely a generation.

	10-09-2003 17:59									#7
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I friend phoned me and told me to put sky news on, there'd been a accident in New York, watching the second plane hit 'live' was a almost surreal experience, all I could think was 'f$%k me!"

	10-09-2003 18:00									#8
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quote: Npoe, the USA will remain highly motivatied to destroy its enemies and the allies of our enemies for likely a generation.

I think its a bit sick actually.

	10-09-2003 18:01									#9
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i was posting at poly when there was an explosion of threads about something about some wtc bulding and a plane.
turned on the TV and saw it. my initial reaction would have been "wow payback time", you know so distant and america, if not for the concerns and worries of americans here, which underlined the uncomfortable rality that real people were dieing

	10-09-2003 18:01									#10
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quote: Originally posted by elijah What significance do these attacks have now, if any. Are current international actions motivated by this?

Two wars happened because of that - if thats not significant....

	10-09-2003 18:04									#11
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quote: Originally posted by elijah I didn't see the first?

I created a 9/11 memorial thread a few days ago.

	10-09-2003 18:08									#12
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quote: Two wars happened because of that - if thats not significant.

So it would seem. They would deny it of course. Blood lust isn't one of humanities best sides, nor is the "penis size" debate created by that.

quote: I created a 9/11 memorial thread a few days ago

This is not intended to be a memorial thread. I'm sure the mods won't delete it anyway because its such an important topic, and a difference in the discussions in both threads would probably warrant both. Still, not my call, I'll transfer to the other one if they toast this one. *pleading look*

	10-09-2003 18:10									#13
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I'm joking, really -- moderators have let multiple threads on similar topics stay open before.

	10-09-2003 18:15									#14
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To lock this thread would be utterly un-American, traitorous and would probably aid terrorism.

I was on holiday in Tunisia with my g/f on 11/9/01. We'd just come in from a day at the poolside and noticed some kind of fuss around the TV set in the lobby. Didn't bother to go and look.

When we came down for dinner about an hour later we noticed that even more people were around the TV and that some of them looked upset so we went to have a closer look....

Didn't see any of it happen live - IIRC the second tower had collapsed not long before we came downstairs. It was plenty disturbing enough seeing the endless re-runs though.

	10-09-2003 18:19									#15
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quote: Originally posted by elijah Do people agree with my position that the Americans should just get over it,

No.

	10-09-2003 18:22									#16
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Well, I was at home, had to work in the evening that day. Watched a bit TV while eating something - then there was first a news bar saying something like "a plane crashed into the WTC" and I thought it was one of those little Cessna-type private planes. Then the program was interrupted, and I saw the tower burning. Then I had to watch the second plane crashing into the other tower....

Sad day. It still makes me kinda sad today. I canīt understand the "get over it" attitude. It was IMO one of the most inhumane acts, if one agrees with US policies or not.

	10-09-2003 18:22									#17
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We saw what getting over previous attacks got us.

So I would answer no also.

	10-09-2003 18:34									#18
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It's not a question of getting over it. It's something we should keep remembering so that we're aware what well organised terrorists can achieve.

We should probably also realise that military action against other countries isn't going to 'end terrorism'.

Hasn't worked for us in the UK with Northern Ireland, or India, or Russia with Chechnya, didn't work for the Russians in Afghanistan... why should it work now?

Of course it's absolutely vital that we all continue to combat terrorism. Just do it in a way that might actually help.

	10-09-2003 18:36									#19
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It depends what you mean by "get over it". If that is a euphemism for "stick your head in the sand, pretend it never happened and hope it never happens again" then I say NO.

If it's supposed to mean "stop wallowing in self-pity and move on with your lives" then I'd say YES, but almost all the Americans I have contact with did that at least a year ago anyway.

	10-09-2003 18:43									#20
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I was driving to work, listening to the Tony Bruno Extravaganza and he and Andrew were talking about the media reaction towards Michael Jordan thinking of returning to basketball (again). In a joking voice Tony said "Believe it or not CNN has actually broken away from its 24-hour, wall-to-wall coverage of Michael Jordan to bring you pictures of a building on fire."

Andrew: "I think that's the World Trade Center."

"Get out of here.... wait, it is!"
"Man, that's a huge hole in it! Did a plane crash into it?"

That's when I got to work and found that a number of people had broken out some old TV sets that we kept in the back room and were fiddling with aerials, trying to get some decent reception. I called my wife ASAP and said "Turn on CNN!"

	10-09-2003 18:53									#21
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a column epitomizing of the "get over it already". i don't quite agree with it, and i honestly think getting over something supremely traumatic is not something that comes easy.

after all, we don't tell the japanese to get over the nuking. (at least, not all of us do.)

where was i?

at ga tech. visitng friends already at college, a few days before i was to leave. saw it in the student center, thought it was a movie. went to meet friend, and then found out it was real.

	10-09-2003 18:55									#22
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