13-09-2003 11:45									#31
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maybe I should rephrase that.

some crimes like necrophilia should be illegal because it poses health risks.

And improper buriel also poses health risks.

but there is no risk having a frozen body ... as long as it remains frozen

	13-09-2003 12:03									#32
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necrophilia

	13-09-2003 12:30									#33
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quote: but there is no risk having a frozen body

Well some people may not like their loved ones be frozen after death in a freezer. After all grave robbing poses no health risks, but it is still (IMO, properly) a crime.

	13-09-2003 12:59									#34
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only because cemetaries are private property. And there are objects in the graves that are private property (jewelry and such)

	13-09-2003 13:12									#35
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No, that's not it at all, Diss .

The reason is because no one wants their relatives ****ed with. People don't care that the rings got taken away or that people trespassed, they care that their parent or whatever was dug up.

	13-09-2003 19:00									#36
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quote: I agree, Boris... Scary as Hell

Oh come on. What is so 'scary' about it? He may have been a little messed up, but that is just sad, not scary. He hasnt done anyone any harm; i dont understand how what he did can be considered a crime...unless the woman's family want to press charges. Otherwise he has clearly offened no one except for naive, emotionally stunted individuals who cannot understand anything outside the world of equations and quotes from their fave philosophers.

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quote: Originally posted by Verres Oh come on. What is so 'scary' about it? He may have been a little messed up, but that is just sad, not scary. He hasnt done anyone any harm; i dont understand how what he did can be considered a crime...unless the woman's family want to press charges. Otherwise he has clearly offened no one except for naive, emotionally stunted individuals who cannot understand anything outside the world of equations and quotes from their fave philosophers.

And the ten cats.

	13-09-2003 19:12									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident but there is no risk having a frozen body ... as long as it remains frozen

There you have it. One of the reasons why there are some strict codes of what you can and can't do with a body is based on public safety. Suppose there was a power outage, and this woman's corpse began rotting in the Arizona heat? Suppose she was carrying some sort of disease?

Humans have a rather nasty history with pathogens being spread by the careless disposal of dead bodies. It's a public health issue.

	13-09-2003 19:12									#39
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what about them? they were already dead. been frozen after death is surely more dignified than being left squashed to death in the middle of the road for days on end until it rains or something and washes away the blood that was sticking them to the tarmac.

	13-09-2003 19:15									#40
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sorry if that was a little graphic...i was just trying to point out that far more 'sick' and 'scary' things happen in life anyway, and we treat them as being perfectly acceptable.

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We don't know if the cats were already dead. See my earlier point on this. He claimed he wanted his wife "cryogenically" frozen, presumably for the purpose of reviving her at a later time. What if he had frozen live cats to see if it would work? Note how he claims the cats were there for "research." What kind of research? What does that mean?

I'm not accusing him of anything, but I think it's suspicious enough to warrant an investigation into just how his wife and those cats died.

	13-09-2003 19:26									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld And the ten cats.

Oh come on. Everyone knows they're nothing more delicious than a frozen Kit-Kat.

	13-09-2003 21:48									#44
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quote: How can you commit a crime against the living? How can you commit a crime against pets? A crime is simply an illegal act.

A crime also implies a victim. There is no victim in a "crime" against the dead.

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There's no victim in taking a dump in the street, either, but that doesn't mean there's no crime.

The term "crime" implies nothing. It is a violation of law, nothing more and nothing less.

	13-09-2003 23:00									#46
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quote: A crime also implies a victim.

Since when?! Or have you never heard the term 'victimless crime'?

The dictionary definition of crime doesn't mention the word victim as well.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin D. It is unlawful for a person to engage in necrophilia. A person engages in necrophilia by: 1. Having sexual intercourse with a dead human body. 2. Having sexual contact with a dead human body, other than the contact normally required to store, prepare, disinfect or embalm a dead human body according to standards of practice in the funeral industry.

I thought SCOTUS explicitely stated two consenting adults could do any sexual act they wanted in the privacy of their houses ?

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When the dead get to consent to anything Spiff, please do tell us..that might make Chicaog's voting record much cleaner.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap When the dead get to consent to anything Spiff, please do tell us..that might make Chicaog's voting record much cleaner.

Well, I though silent means consent (don't you have a saying about that in English ?)

	14-09-2003 04:02									#50
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Not that I can think of.

	14-09-2003 04:14									#51
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There are firms that will freeze-dry your pet, or place them in cryogenic stasis, or even MUMMIFY them, a'la Egyptian-style Book of the Dead.

Nobody cares if pets get this treatment. The woman's dead - I don't think she really cares anymore, nor is she in any position to object.

It's illegal to j-walk (i.e. cross a street against the pedestrian light), but I bet more than one person in the country does that on a daily basis. Should that be punishable?

	14-09-2003 05:48									#52
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Imagine that the death of his wife had not been discovered....


Months later....

'Well, Mr. Such and Such, I must say this broth is very tasty.'

'It should be. My wife really put her heart into it.'

'And what's the main course?'

'Cat fish, rice and lady's fingers (okra).'

Fritz Haarmann in post-WWI Germany had an interesting way with dead bodies, in case anyone is thinking of why disposing of loved ones or neighbours in the freezer may be, ah, unsavoury...

	14-09-2003 05:54									#53
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quote: Since when?! Or have you never heard the term 'victimless crime'?

* Ben Kenobi checks oxymoron thread.

	14-09-2003 11:09									#54
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Okay Boris. It is clear we must perfrom autoposies on all 10 cats to see if they were dead before being frozen

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Fritz Haarman also sold a lot of his, er, excess supply on the black market as pork.

Another reason bacon is scary.

	15-09-2003 05:58									#56
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mmm bacon

	15-09-2003 08:01									#57
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd A crime also implies a victim. There is no victim in a "crime" against the dead.

So necrophilia is OK by you?

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	15-09-2003 11:24									#59
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Imran,

quote: Since when?! Or have you never heard the term 'victimless crime'?

Of course I have, usually in the context of "silly" or "should be abolished", which, let's face it, most people really believe if pressed to be consistent on the subject.

DS,

quote: So necrophilia is OK by you?

I'm not going to do it, but I certainly won't advocate locking someone else up for doing so.

	15-09-2003 11:25									#60
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Are you telling me you wouldn't hit it Floyd?!

whatever