16-09-2003 04:54									#31
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This is more of an abstract question because I can't forsee any real danger:

What would be the risk of GCA evacuating onto a tiny island? It seems to me that they'd never really be a threat after that, and the team would eventually disband from boredom....

	16-09-2003 05:08									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon This is more of an abstract question because I can't forsee any real danger: What would be the risk of GCA evacuating onto a tiny island? It seems to me that they'd never really be a threat after that, and the team would eventually disband from boredom....

Well, I would much prefer to eliminate them, to prevent culture flips. Algalord has a ton of culture built up and is a prime target. I would rather not waste settlers on the abandon and rebuilds.

	16-09-2003 06:39									#33
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Even getting 100 gold from them would be enough to upgrade 1 and 1/3 warrior to MI, so that would be worth it, In my book. Otherwise, we would have to wait 4 turns (pre-GA) to make that amount. It's kind of fitting, if we do get some money from them, then using to take them down.... E_T

This is all true, but we're also preventing them from upgrading or rushing units. Think of 100 gold from them as a 200 gold swing in power. I say sell them MapMaking, even as low as 75 gold. Drain their bank, and we only have to knock out a few cities for them to lose production too.

	16-09-2003 06:53									#34
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quote: Originally posted by BRC This is all true, but we're also preventing them from upgrading or rushing units. Think of 100 gold from them as a 200 gold swing in power. I say sell them MapMaking, even as low as 75 gold. Drain their bank, and we only have to knock out a few cities for them to lose production too.

They won't be rushing units with gold no matter how much gold they have as they are still in despotism I believe. But we can prevent them from upgrading warriors to swords if we take most of their money.

	16-09-2003 07:07									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill They won't be rushing units with gold no matter how much gold they have as they are still in despotism I believe. But we can prevent them from upgrading warriors to swords if we take most of their money.

My fault. But yeah... to the 2nd sentence.

	16-09-2003 10:39									#36
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Talking to any team should never be seen as a negative thing, and we should aim to get them in chat to discuss it anyway. Perhaps I will be proven wrong and they will offer us 200+ gold for MM. That might well be worth our while, even with the extra forces we need to devote time and/or money to to counter the introduced threat of Galleys. I still doubt it, but it is one more eventuality.

However, at least some more questions were raised over the issue and the NO-stance meant that those who are PRO-trading had to consider everyone's arguments in a little more depth - when I saw this poll and the discussion thread it seemed as if we were going to give them MM for 100 gold or more with no regard to the potential consequences.

As for upgrading warriors to Swords, that will depend on whether they have cut roads to their Iron at any point. We have not got an updated map of theirs since near the beginning of the GCA/CFC war, so we may not know whether gold is of any use to them at all beyond allowing a 100% science rate. It is a good trick, however, so they may well be employing it.

	16-09-2003 11:03									#37
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We will try for the max, but in all honesty, I will settle for less that 200. I'd even accept 100 as negotiations got nearer to the point that GWT is predicted to make contact with GCA. 100 to us now is better than nothing at all. BTW, we need the FAM to get a report from CFC as to where GWT Galley is exactly, that way we CAN be more likely to predict when GCA and GWT will meet.

	16-09-2003 21:00									#38
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Guess I'll offically vote "undecided"

	18-09-2003 02:22									#39
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Damn. Poll is closed. Manually add +1 to "yes". That is - "Yes - try and talk to them to see what we can get for MM".

Even 100g would we worth it, I think. It'll drain their bank, and make the war all the more difficult for them. And - who knows what information they'll provide during the talks...

I don't fear their Galleys.

	19-09-2003 18:10									#40
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Then BFM, you and many others are braver than I. Let us hope you are proven correct, as the poll clearly shows that a majority support the idea at this time. If we can get them in chat, we shall see what happens then. Opinions can always change, and they may pour water on the whole deal. Despite them having built another settler recently, they cannot trust us completely.

	20-09-2003 01:35									#41
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Can't we just send them an e-mail that we are planning to send them MM for an amount that we need to discuss and then start sending the tech to them on the next save. IF anything, they would see every turn that we are tring to deal with them. That should do a lot to help keep them content for a few more turns.

E_T

	20-09-2003 21:25									#42
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I agree with E_T. But we need to stop dithering about this and DO IT NOW. We don't have much time left until the war begins, folks.

We all agree that diplomatic discussion is a good idea, whether or not we actually go through with it- so let us begin!