16-09-2003 11:38									#61
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk I guess you'll just have to throw in with us, then.

Gladly. Will you abolish the visa regime for us?

	16-09-2003 11:54									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson So, your neighbours can't do what they want because You don't feel good about it?

They can. But if we are friends, they should not make us suffer.

quote: It's Russia that makes problems at the borders. Russian visas on Polish-Russian borders are 6x higher than Polish ones...

There were no problems (no visas) before you decided to submit to the EU bureaucracy.

quote: When their problems with imperial ambitions, violating human rights, corruption etc will get smaller. That's the optimistic version.

quote: Russians will be treated better than any other EU neighbours anyway.

These last two observations don't alter the fact that the Russian people will suffer as a result of the expansion.

	16-09-2003 12:04									#63
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Russian people only suffer because of your incompetent, corrupted, bully, imperialist, facist leaders. We - your neighbours know what were talking about. There just simply is no deal you guys haven't broke. Why shoul EU allow your mafia, prostitutes and car thieves flow freely to our rich homelands?

	16-09-2003 12:15									#64
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Russian people only suffer because of your incompetent, corrupted, bully, imperialist, facist leaders. We - your neighbours know what were talking about. There just simply is no deal you guys haven't broke. Why shoul EU allow your mafia, prostitutes and car thieves flow freely to our rich homelands?

It's not that keeping Russia out saves us from their mafia, prostitutes and (well, along with Polish) car thieves. Germany is full of all sorts of them. The Russian mafia owns half of our capital. May be the whole, but who cares about stynkin' Berlin. Despite this fact, I would gladly see a much better cooperation of the EU with Russia.

	16-09-2003 12:19									#65
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Karmen Kass = HOT!

	16-09-2003 12:28									#66
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Russian girls are hot and should be welcomed in.

	16-09-2003 12:29									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Russian girls are hot and should be welcomed in.

So true.

	16-09-2003 12:37									#68
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Great avatar, Sir Ralph Not that I just noticed it, but I simply didn't have an occasion to tell this to you.

	16-09-2003 12:43									#69
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond Great avatar, Sir Ralph Not that I just noticed it, but I simply didn't have an occasion to tell this to you.

He was a great guy. A pity that he died so young.

	16-09-2003 12:45									#70
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but who is he?

	16-09-2003 12:50									#71
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i swear i got the bum deal here. everyone goes on about how fit russian birds are and yet i worked all summer with birds from former soviet bloc countries and none of them were nice, ffs!

oh and we don't want russia, we've got enough economic basket cases already, like germany and france

	16-09-2003 12:55									#72
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A Russian friend of mine suggested EU should join Russia as an autonomous oblast

But I wish Russia all the best and hope that they will join EU eventually

	16-09-2003 12:55									#73
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Well, here I am not advocating for letting us into your "rich homelands" (i.e. a visa-free regime with the whole EU), although this matter can be discussed separately. What I am saying is more narrow in scope: conditions for the Russian people should not get worse as a result of the expansion (although if they get better it would be nice). This means in particular that if we now have a visa-free regime with certain East-European countries, it should stay like this after the expansion. Why the hell should a EU expansion mean a higher degree of isolation for us? After all, this contradicts to the very spirit of the EU. Or you expect us to sit back and fervently applaud the triumph a great international project, unparalleled in history, even if this project means a tighter stanglehold on us?

	16-09-2003 12:56									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph He was a great guy. A pity that he died so young.

Sometimes this is a part of being great.

	16-09-2003 13:02									#75
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but who IS he?

	16-09-2003 13:06									#76
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I guess they are not going to tell you Ecth

	16-09-2003 13:08									#77
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Remember folks, Estonia won't be a member before May of 2004.

	16-09-2003 13:12									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion but who IS he?

Vladimir Vysotskiy, a famous Russian bard, poet and actor of somewhat dissident orientation. IIRC, died in 1980 at the age of 40. He was not officially liked by the Soviet authorities, but he was very popular among the people. There were millons of copies of tape-recordings of his songs spread throughout the Soviet Union.

	16-09-2003 13:14									#79
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ok.

	16-09-2003 17:25									#80
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond They can. But if we are friends, they should not make us suffer. [/quote} 1)After what Russia was doing to every its neighbours for centuries.... 2)There's a constant amount of happyness in the world. We must make someone sadder to become happier 3)It's not about making anyone hurt anyway. How will exactly Russians suffer? Because they won't be able to smuggle and cross the border as "ants"? (if someone don't know what an ant is, it's someone who crosses the border with small ammounts of some trading goods... Do You think Poles over the border are happy? They are not. [quote] There were no problems (no visas) before you decided to submit to the EU bureaucracy.

I'm not quite sure about it, in fact. Russian officers are making problems over the border since ever.

quote: These last two observations don't alter the fact that the Russian people will suffer as a result of the expansion.

They'd suffer less if we opened the borders completely...
Oh, c-mon. We have no choice.

	16-09-2003 17:45									#81
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Since when is it any business of Russia's as to what other countries do with their immigration laws

	16-09-2003 17:46									#82
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since it has 10k nukes

	17-09-2003 01:33									#83
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If Russia doesn't like it, let them do something about it. They are weak.

	17-09-2003 01:47									#84
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Sad, but true.

	17-09-2003 02:14									#85
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quote: chegitz and Ben Kenobi = gay

Just because we don't go for stick figures.

	17-09-2003 02:23									#86
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More inertia for CAP.

	17-09-2003 04:07									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Sad, but true.

Go invade Poland or Czech. Get those 1956 hormones raging.

	17-09-2003 10:00									#88
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And the tanks would be of the same make - T-55

	17-09-2003 12:00									#90
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Why would Heresson invade his own country?