15-09-2003 22:00									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX and i dont want some HS doofus running my ISP. i have enough problems with "qualified" individuals.

The school kids mainly do the simple work that has to be done all the time. There are of course always some "qualified" people working during the summer (and have their five weeks off at some other time) to make sure the country stays alive, but only very few people have those kind of jobs if you think about it.

	15-09-2003 22:19									#32
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after this incredible summer we had this year, I´m not surprised at all about this news.

cheers!

	15-09-2003 22:35									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid That's what money-hungry high school kids are hired to do

To bad the vast majority of high school kids in Europe are unemployed.

In the US we've figured out ways to get those parasites ti be productive.

	15-09-2003 22:45									#34
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quote: Originally posted by rah When you're efficient, I guess you can work less.

Yes, they must be doing something right.

	16-09-2003 03:36									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid In Sweden, we have five weeks vacation in july/august

When I worked full time, I had six weeks *braggs*

Now, as lazy student, it is much better.

Oh, and Rah is right, in some of the regions in Germany where they have most free days and 35h work (or even less) per week they have also the most productive industry (eg car builders).

	16-09-2003 03:45									#36
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WIth all that video taping orgy parties, who would have any energy to work the next day?

	16-09-2003 06:01									#37
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All the Commies move to Germany!

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I beleive they already have.

	16-09-2003 06:38									#39
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As someone said, it's because they are so productive.

GDP per hour worked as % of US level, 2002 and (1992) figures:

Japan: 72% (70%)
Germany: 94% (89%)
France: 103% (104%)
Britian: 79% (77%)
Italy: 105% (105%)
Canada: 82% (83%)
Spain: 75% (80%)
Australia: 77% (75%)
Holland: 119% (116%)
Belgium: 110% (108%)


The dutch and norwegians work only 1,340 hours a year

	16-09-2003 06:47									#40
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When I grow up, I want to be German.

	16-09-2003 06:50									#41
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Get back to work, you slackers! Che, Sloww, I'm talking to you!

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	16-09-2003 07:33									#42
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quote: Originally posted by el freako As someone said, it's because they are so productive. GDP per hour worked as % of US level, 2002 and (1992) figures: Japan: 72% (70%) Germany: 94% (89%) France: 103% (104%) Britian: 79% (77%) Italy: 105% (105%) Canada: 82% (83%) Spain: 75% (80%) Australia: 77% (75%) Holland: 119% (116%) Belgium: 110% (108%) The dutch and norwegians work only 1,340 hours a year

If you place restrictions on people's ability to work, the least productive will be eliminated from the workforce. Think about it.

	16-09-2003 09:01									#43
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quote: Originally posted by TCO If you place restrictions on people's ability to work, the least productive will be eliminated from the workforce. Think about it.

No, you'll need more worker to acomplish the same thing since you can't work them 40-50 hours a week.

	16-09-2003 09:44									#44
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quote: Koreans who top the workaholics table with 2,447 hours.

This doesn't surprise me at all. My boss is here 12 hours a day, most koreans don't get saturdays off and the woman who runs the mini-mart by my house is there virtually 24/7
really sad to see people getting their lives sucked away like that...

	16-09-2003 11:25									#45
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Wow, I think 37.5 hours is too much...
Then again it wasn't that long ago when we had the same conditions as Korea, say 30 years.

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And wasn't there a study fairly recent that said English had the longest working hors in Europe but were the least productive workers?

It's no good working longer then 8 hours anyway. I know I do the same amount of work in 6 hours then I can do in 12 if I know I only have to work 6

	16-09-2003 11:28									#46
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	16-09-2003 11:37									#47
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Maybe the Germans work smarter, not harder (or longer).

	16-09-2003 11:39									#48
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Mexican-American immigrants would destroy all of them.

10000 hours per year

	16-09-2003 11:39									#49
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Isn't that from Dilbert?

	16-09-2003 11:40									#50
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I mistrust statistics like these. They usually take in account only regular hours. But alone in Germany the overtime hours worked per year would make up almost one million new jobs.

37 hours per week is my "normal" minimum, but I'm expected to work up to 20 hours more per month without extra pay, when the necessity emerges, which happens, but not continuously. If I work yet more, I get paid for the hours exceeding this 20 hours limit. If somebody asks me about my regular work time, I'd answer 37/week, but the de facto average is somewhere around 40, with peaks up to 50 or even 60. I don't think this is not enough.

As for vacation, yea, 6 paid weeks per year is a bit more than the poor exploited people overseas get, but ... well ... as compensation you are a superpower, if this makes you feel better. *points and laughs* *shows solidarity*

	16-09-2003 11:51									#52
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Let's see...last week I worked 87 hours...and the week before, 72.

	16-09-2003 11:57									#53
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Let's see...last week I worked 87 hours...and the week before, 72.

If that's freelance work, it's for your own profit. If you're an employee, your employer should pay you good. If none of these assumptions is true, it's ... ... your own fault.

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quote: And wasn't there a study fairly recent that said English had the longest working hors in Europe but were the least productive workers?

Take off the extra hours we work over other Europeans and you'd see our productivity rise back to around their level.

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Is there a law about siesta in Mexico?

	16-09-2003 12:13									#56
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My employer pays me time-and-a-half for each and every hour over 40, unless it's the seventh straight day I've worked -- then it's double time.

	16-09-2003 12:23									#57
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk My employer pays me time-and-a-half for each and every hour over 40, unless it's the seventh straight day I've worked -- then it's double time.

That's good conditions and explains your eagerness to work more than 70. As long as you don't permanently hurt your health, that is. You can't buy it back for no money, you know. A gastric ulcer is a nasty thing, and it's not the worst that can happen.

I get +25% for overtime (exceeding 20 hours/month) and +50% if it's on Sundays. Not quite as good, but for me it's ok.

	16-09-2003 12:37									#58
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I used to get time-and-a-half for any hour over 35 hours, that brought me up to £8.03 an hour, around $13/h.

	16-09-2003 12:50									#59
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some people will be punished hard on next occasion...

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quote: Originally posted by el freako As someone said, it's because they are so productive. GDP per hour worked as % of US level, 2002 and (1992) figures: Japan: 72% (70%) Germany: 94% (89%) France: 103% (104%) Britian: 79% (77%) Italy: 105% (105%) Canada: 82% (83%) Spain: 75% (80%) Australia: 77% (75%) Holland: 119% (116%) Belgium: 110% (108%) The dutch and norwegians work only 1,340 hours a year

Wait a minute...the Dutch are 19% more productive than the Americans, work ~500 fewer hours a year, AND have legal pot, legal prostitution, and really great beer?



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