17-09-2003 01:46									#1
	Götterdämmerung - The Downfall of the Third Reich Version 1.0 available! Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

As I released a playtest version a couple of days ago I will now proudly release Version 1.0! I added an additional feature for gameplay reasons (Credit goes to Pablostuka for editing that batch file in exchange for some unit work. Thank you again, pal! ).

The Side Selection: Just run the 'Side Selection' batch file and choose your side (US, UK or USSR) and then run the 'Donwfall' batch file and choose the part!

Just follow this link to find the game files!

Hope you enjoy the scenario!

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	17-09-2003 17:05									#2
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Herzlichen Glückwunsch, Jim!

Du übertriffst dich jedesmal selbst von neuem. Vor allem deine Hand für strategische Szenarien ist überaus bewundernswert.



@all: Sorry, but I wanted to congratulate him with what I wanted to express and not what I am able to express...

	18-09-2003 04:08									#3
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OMG!!!

We have a workalcoholic here

I suppose you have nothing against uploading the scenario to the Spanish Site, Jim Panse... am I right?

	18-09-2003 15:11									#4
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I would not be offended if you upload it to your wonderful site.

	18-09-2003 20:26									#5
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I'll do that tonight.

I've started a game with British, and I'm receiving the "logistic limit" advice before I even create a unit (they're being created by events)

	18-09-2003 21:12									#6
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That´s true. Just ignore it. That´s because I wanted the game to be as hard as possible and that´s the problem with those event-generated units .... Nothing to worry about!

	18-09-2003 21:29									#7
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Btw Stephan i think that this scenario would FAR more interesting from the German side.

	18-09-2003 21:34									#8
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@ Pericles: I know this but you won´t succeed in any way. That´s the problem but I have no problem if you or anyone of you take the map, maybe some graphics and some other stuff to make a scenario just the other way round .....

	18-09-2003 23:55									#9
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Well admitedly that thought had crossed my mind, coincidentally just a few weeks before your first Götterdämmerung thread.

But why could there be no success? a sucessfull Ardenes offensive could buy the Wehrmacht time on the Western front to transfer troops to the East and fight the Ruskies to a bloody draw.Or so the German staff had planned.

Hmm.......now that i think of it you are right. There really wasn't any chance of success.

	19-09-2003 00:11									#10
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Commanding the heroic GIs and Tommies has it's own superb appeal!

And commanding the gung-ho Red Army?...Nothing is more fun!

But, personally I would love to fight a single player, German-centric version of this brilliant scenario, fighting to the MP44 round and grenade!

	19-09-2003 00:14									#11
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YEAH!

	19-09-2003 00:25									#12
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A last desperate offensive in the west battling both superior numbers and time, nightmarish defensive battles in the east against inumerable enemies, chaotic allocation of depleting resources, foes arousing everywere, hellish street fights at Budapest and Berlin, loyal SS guards falling where they stood.... all composing a true Wagneric holocaust.

	19-09-2003 02:13									#13
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Sounds mental but cool!

The scenario objective could be to buy enough time to gain a Allied/Axis cease-fire or armistice. (announced via events...)

Perhaps the Allies are only going to fight till a certain time limit...

	19-09-2003 02:35									#14
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Sounds mental but cool!

???

What exactly do you mean by "mental"?


BTW i checked your comic site.......


I especially like that ghost admiral character!
Why don't you add a link in your ever-changing signature?

	19-09-2003 16:12									#15
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Sounds mental but cool! The scenario objective could be to buy enough time to gain a Allied/Axis cease-fire or armistice. (announced via events...) Perhaps the Allies are only going to fight till a certain time limit...

Yeah, good idea! Jimmy, I can´t play the downfall of my own country- I can´t! Soemwhere down there my grandfathers stand... you know what I mean?

	19-09-2003 16:40									#16
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Even though my Grandad was on the Allied faction, I want to play as Germany too!

There is something cool about the 'last stand' battle!

A few Tigers vesus an never-ending stream of T-34s...That is what legends are made of!

	19-09-2003 16:43									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos What exactly do you mean by "mental"?

LOL!
It's a Scottish term for 'crazy' or 'cool'.

quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos BTW i checked your comic site....... I especially like that ghost admiral character! Why don't you add a link in your ever-changing signature?

Hope you liked the weird chicks too!

I would put a link there, but there is one on my profile anyhoo!

	19-09-2003 17:19									#18
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quote: LOL! It's a Scottish term for 'crazy' or 'cool'.

I see.





Last stand battles are always exhiting. If one just reads Ranciman's "The fall of Constantinople" will know what i mean.
I mean the fact of certain defeat and death ignored by the defenders as they make a superhuman effort.....


Memories of Thermopylae.........


As for the "Germany's last stand" scenario i would be interested in participating in any effort to create it.

	19-09-2003 20:18									#19
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Well, I think we have the seeds of an idea here!

A kind of inverse 'Red Front'!

What do you think, Jim?
Is it possible to reverse engineer Götterdämmerung to be German playable...?

	20-09-2003 14:35									#20
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quote: Well, I think we have the seeds of an idea here! A kind of inverse 'Red Front'! What do you think, Jim? Is it possible to reverse engineer Götterdämmerung to be German playable...?

I would say it would be possible but in my eyes it won´t make too much sense as Germany´s last stand was more than desperate and there WAS no chance to survive. I know that a GREAT advantage of Civ 2 is that you can change history but I wanted this to be a non-fictional scenario as I have some projects on my mind/in progress that will be again fictional (or following an Alternate Timeline if you like).

If anyone is willing to do such a project, I would feel honored to assist as I have very much material about the 3rd Reich.

Btw, check out that link too discover something neat ....

	20-09-2003 15:32									#21
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Well the point would not be to win the war but rather forbid the allies from winning it.

But i was thinknig in more strategic terms than your mostly tactically oriented scenario.