18-09-2003 00:03									#1
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I believe no one noticed this. These things really tell, that they have made a great expansion. 50 new units!

In total, the Conquests provide:

Over 85 new technologies
Over 50 new units
Over 60 new buildings and wonders
30 new resources
More than 8 new governments

http://www.civ3.com/conq_faq.cfm

	18-09-2003 00:11									#2
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That is in the scenarios

And number of new stuff isn't a very good measure on how good an expansion is

	18-09-2003 00:25									#3
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Yeah. But it sounds promising. You swedes are always so negative

	18-09-2003 01:07									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Inhalaattori Yeah. But it sounds promising. You swedes are always so negative

Go back to the sauna that spawned you, you dark Mumintroll

Yup, scenarios will be massive

	18-09-2003 03:17									#5
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Perkele!

Jag tycker inte, att du skadar mig. Jag blir arg när jag är irriterad.
Och alla svenska- pojkar är känt för sin sinne för humor.
My swedish is quite "rusty"

Im just wondering if these "50 new units" include ptw units (in ww2 pacific and feudal Japan- scenarios)

Heh. That picture. Swedish soldiers carrying their dead king. You know that many soldiers were finska-pojkar. Hakkapeliitas or something like that.

	18-09-2003 11:56									#6
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If they are PtW units is a good question.

They they will prove very useful for scenario creation.

I just wanted to point aout that any amount of art can't outweight interesting changes in game mechanics.

Sidenote: Hakkapelites were swedish elite cavalry. They got that name because when they stormed the enemy they shouted "Hakkapelle" wich means "Chop a head".

	18-09-2003 17:57									#7
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"Sidenote: Hakkapelites were swedish elite cavalry."
Yes. But they were finns. They shouted "hakkaa päälle", which is finnish and means something like you said it means.

You are right with that "game mechanics"- question.

"Im just wondering if these "50 new units" include ptw units (in ww2 pacific and feudal Japan- scenarios)"

With that I meant that is there 50 new units + ptw units? Or are ptw units in that 50? Someone must ask that in this "firaxis chat- thing". (27.9)

	18-09-2003 18:05									#8
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50 new units means 50 new units + the PTW units + new leader units (for regicide games).

IIRC, the Sengoku scenario uses the PTW units.

	18-09-2003 18:47									#9
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Thanks for the info WarpStorm

quote: Originally posted by Inhalaattori "Sidenote: Hakkapelites were swedish elite cavalry." Yes. But they were finns. They shouted "hakkaa päälle", which is finnish and means something like you said it means.

Depends. Finnland was a part of Sweden.
Shall we end this threadjack now?

	22-09-2003 12:13									#10
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I don't trust words as much as pictures. You don't know how much of that is in the various conquests. 85 new techs essentially means nothing. However, I'm pretty optimistic anyway.

	23-09-2003 02:20									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior I don't trust words as much as pictures. You don't know how much of that is in the various conquests. 85 new techs essentially means nothing. However, I'm pretty optimistic anyway.

We hear you. So far, my experience has shown that trying to group and list the new features in the game hasn't been very effective at communicating all the changes to the game and the features introduced in the various Conquests. We're finding that putting it in (conservative) numbers provides a far more succinct way of expressing what the game contributes to the Civ experience.

Hmmmm. I just reread all that and it looks like a buncha marketing mumbo-jumbo. Think of it this way:

the new techs -- each of the nine conquests has essentially a brand new tech tree. While some techs are familiar, many others are brand new, or occasionally old techs that give different things.

Ditto the new units -- each conquest introduces plenty of new units. We didn't count units like the warrior in Mesopotamia, which is the same old warrior but with an attack of 2.

So view the numbers as the best vehicle at hand for quickly communicating what the conquests bring to the table.

Best,
Jeff Foley
Sr. Brand Manager
Atari

	23-09-2003 05:44									#12
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Wow, I just got listened to by an official Atari person. How cool.

Numbers are good, but I think we get a better sense of the depth of the conquests (and that's what we're talking about here, most or perhaps all of the new features will be specific to the conquests) if you just showed us shots of them being played out. Seeing a screenshot of Japan, with Zeroes and Ha-Go tanks being produced, industrial complexes being constructed, American infantry landing at Okinawa, etc. catches my interest more than numbers.

I think a lot of the time we get overviews, and it would be nice to see more detail about a particular feature as well. For example, please tell us more about setting diplomacy and other new editor abilities.

Keep up the good work.