18-09-2003 06:47									#1
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Is there any way to reduce the global warming level? if not what would you think of a wonder that reduced a set amound of warming per turn and gave tons of culture (as gratitude to the civ that builded it)

	18-09-2003 07:42									#2
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Unfortunately the only ways you can reduce pollution are through recycling centers and mass transit and not building coal plants, etc. I'm not positive, but I don't think there is even any way to mess with it in the editor. Unlike the Call To Power games, Civ doesn't really get into all the future tech like the ocean cities and the like.

	18-09-2003 07:56									#3
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Global warming should be a minor issue, if you get rid of some of the civs. They are the big contributors. so smash their metros. Build recyclers and mass transit in your cities. If I capture a metro late in the game and want to keep it I will sell of the factory and most pollution structures. The city is not going to produce much any way. I will probably have most of the pop as specialist.

	18-09-2003 08:02									#4
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my question is about global warming,not polution ie: if after a world wide nuclear war the global warming level reaches red and everything starts changing into desert,can you do anything about it? will cleaning all polution help? solar plants? anything?

	18-09-2003 08:03									#5
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No, nothing will reduce it. Once it is there it can't be stopped. Sorry I guess I misunderstood your question originally.

	18-09-2003 11:40									#6
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No, AFAIK you can not reduce global warming. You can limit its effects by planting forests. Forests will disappear before the terrain turns to something else. Note that global warming has sometimes positive effects: it may change toundra to grassland.

	18-09-2003 17:55									#7
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quote: Originally posted by LordVipper Is there any way to reduce the global warming level? if not what would you think of a wonder that reduced a set amound of warming per turn and gave tons of culture (as gratitude to the civ that builded it)

A small wonder that would eliminate global warming: The Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Thinking (I think that's how it goes)

	18-09-2003 19:23									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Nym No, AFAIK you can not reduce global warming. You can limit its effects by planting forests. Forests will disappear before the terrain turns to something else. Note that global warming has sometimes positive effects: it may change toundra to grassland.

Are you sure tundra can be changed to anything? I've never ever seen tundra affected by GW unless it had a forest on it. And I've had some pretty crazy nuclear fallouts before.

	18-09-2003 20:14									#9
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Yes it can and has turned to grassland from GW. Sorry, I did not realize you were talking about nukings. It is extremely rare in my games to see any nukes used. Currently nothing can be done to reverse the effects of GW, you can only try to prevent it. Structures and metros will contribute.

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	18-09-2003 22:56									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Traelin Are you sure tundra can be changed to anything? I've never ever seen tundra affected by GW unless it had a forest on it. And I've had some pretty crazy nuclear fallouts before.

Yes. I was very surprised when I discovered it, but it happended during a game where I launched more than 20 ICBM on my french neighbour to get it out of my continent (50% for me, 50% for him).
And I posted screenshots of it within this thread!

	19-09-2003 19:37									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Nym Yes. I was very surprised when I discovered it, but it happended during a game where I launched more than 20 ICBM on my french neighbour to get it out of my continent (50% for me, 50% for him). And I posted screenshots of it within this thread!

Wow that's really cool, I didn't know tundra could change! I'm gonna have to stop reforesting them when GW hits, so they can change to grassland.

	19-09-2003 20:40									#12
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I think they have to be forrested for that to happen, at least it never happened to unforrested tundra in my games.

	19-09-2003 21:14									#13
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I have changed my rules so that terrain doesn't change with global warming but I still get the pollution.

	19-09-2003 22:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 I think they have to be forrested for that to happen, at least it never happened to unforrested tundra in my games.

They were not forrested. Else forest would have disappeared first and terrain would not have changed. Actually it is always the way I have seen it for all terrain type and particularly for this case.

	20-09-2003 01:18									#15
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You may be correct, it is something I have only entered a few times and paid little attention to it. That is merely my recollection of it.

	20-09-2003 04:31									#16
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quote: A small wonder that would eliminate global warming: The Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Thinking (I think that's how it goes)

Of course, according to some, this wonder would merely ignore global warming while boosting all those things which contribute to it until it got so bad that the entire surface of the world would flash fry into desert in a single turn .

	20-09-2003 17:58									#17
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I'm not saying that global warming doesn't occur in real life, but isn't it kind of arrogant to think that man is the cause when we have a big thermonuclear fireball in the center of our solar system burning 24/7/365?

It's akin to saying that a lit match thrown into a pot of water caused the water to boil while ignoring the heating element under the pot! What was the cause of the last seven(*) cycles of "global warming"? Were the trilobites running coal fired factories that we don't know about?

(*) Pg 36 Man and the Ice Age; The Times Atlas of World History; Times Books Limited, London 1978

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	20-09-2003 21:44									#18
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They need to come up with a new wonder in the next expansion pack so we have some way to deal with this.

	20-09-2003 21:54									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Nym No, AFAIK you can not reduce global warming. You can limit its effects by planting forests. Forests will disappear before the terrain turns to something else. Note that global warming has sometimes positive effects: it may change toundra to grassland.

What a terrain changes to is editable in the editor. In my vanilla 1.29f, tundra is set to have no affect from global warming. So, if you were seeing tundra change it was because 1) you are using PTW and the defualt settings are different, or 2) it was changed in the editor, or 3) there is a bug.

	20-09-2003 22:06									#20
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quote: Originally posted by stonewall What a terrain changes to is editable in the editor. In my vanilla 1.29f, tundra is set to have no affect from global warming. So, if you were seeing tundra change it was because 1) you are using PTW and the defualt settings are different, or 2) it was changed in the editor, or 3) there is a bug.

So, answer is 3 because:

• I have vanilla Civ III 1.29.
  
• I did not use the editor to change anything related to terrain types.

	21-09-2003 16:46									#21
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I have stated before that I dislike the random "global warming" tile degradation that Civ 3 uses. I would much prefer a "permanent poisoning" effect that is based on the pollution I generate, rather than being buggered by a stupid AI who can't clean up its own messes.

For example, the terrible pollution of the eastern bloc effected those countries far greater than anyone outside their borders. Even Chernobyl had little measureable effect more than 500 miles downwind.

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	22-09-2003 00:03									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Of course, according to some, this wonder would merely ignore global warming while boosting all those things which contribute to it until it got so bad that the entire surface of the world would flash fry into desert in a single turn .

(Re: Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Thinking)

Yep! I'm one of those "some"

And I used to be sooo Republican...

	22-09-2003 02:08									#23
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If I were the game designer, every turn a pollution square sits uncleaned there would be a chance that the terrain underneath would degrade (call it ground water contamination/etc). If the terrain in unmodifiable, (mountains) have the pollution spread to a nearby square. This way the cities that pollute will be the targets of further poisoning, until it becomes unhabitable if nothing is done.

Along with this implementation, I would change nuclear weapons to NOT cause automatic terrain degradation. This would occur under my system if the target of attack isnt dilligent enough to clean up the fallout.

(rant) Of course under this system, the AI would probably inhabit a desert because they are woefully remiss at cleaning up after themselves (/rant)

	22-09-2003 05:16									#24
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Hmmmm what about genetic mutations caused by polution? polution could also reduce food production,cause unhappyness and it could grow if left uncleaned,which would degrade relations if it spilled in a neighboring country.
does anyone think that battles should create polution?