18-09-2003 23:24									#1
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What's up with that? Did somebody higher up decide "Hey, if we give them the title of 'manager' we'll not have to give anybody raises this year!"?

The reason why I ask is because one of the dumbest people I know started working at Mickey D's a month ago and she came into the office yesterday (to pick up her baby that her mother was keeping) and was overjoyed that she was made "Area Manager." When I asked her a bit more it sounded like she was in charge of whatever area she was working in... ala, if she had the fry station, then she'd be the "Area Manager" of the fry station.



Or am I missing something here? Not working there I can't tell if this is a serious attempt to involve the employees in the business or just a cynical ploy to boost morale. Or both.

Anybody here with inside experience? Asher? Sava?

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	18-09-2003 23:26									#2
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Oooh, now the McD employees will start getting territorial.

	18-09-2003 23:28									#3
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I'm thinking that such a move might not be popular with people who are real managers, as such tends to downgrade their titles (and perceived status, and paychecks, etc).

	18-09-2003 23:29									#4
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Corporations are always going to do what the law allows in order to screw their workers. If it means more profits and its legal, they will do it, regardless of who is hurt.

	18-09-2003 23:31									#5
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I don't think this is really a move to "screw their workers", Sava, but rather a potentially misguided attempt to involve them more in the operations.

	18-09-2003 23:33									#6
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I don't think this is really a move to "screw their workers", Sava, but rather a potentially misguided attempt to involve them more in the operations.

Yeah -- because executives have the best interest of their employees at heart.

	18-09-2003 23:37									#7
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A downgrading of titles means that 'most every title is downgraded, MrFun. The fact is, that if people (actual managers that is) are pissed about it, then everybody pretty much suffers except for the feelgood HR weenie that pushed this idea through to implementation - at least, until s/he gets shoved out the door, that is.

	19-09-2003 00:47									#8
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I don't think this is really a move to "screw their workers", Sava, but rather a potentially misguided attempt to involve them more in the operations.

bullshit... they tried the same **** to me when I worked at Pizza Hut back in the day. They "promoted" me and cut my pay. But I "defeated the system" and made back what I was owed.

	19-09-2003 00:50									#9
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Bestowing the title of "Manager" on somebody can typically be used to deprive them of overtime pay.

If McDonald's does that, though, they're running on unstable ground -- to be a proper "manager", one has to surprivise a certain number of other employees and has to devote a minimum amount of time to managerial tasks.

And making fries is not a managerial task.

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McDonalds isn't doing that though... this girl got overtime last week, even though her "promotion" was well in effect.

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Well, then maybe they're just trying to make employees feel better about themselves and give 'em something positive for the resume. Let's face it -- working at McDonald's isn't exactly impressive to future employers, but being a *manager* there is a bit better.

	19-09-2003 00:55									#12
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At Best Buy, managers make salary wages, not hourly wages. As such, they don't make overtime. However, during normal times they often work 60 hours per week, and during holiday seasons, often over 70-80.

That means their actual pay, computed out, is less per hour than many department supervisors (who ARE on hourly wages).

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT McDonalds isn't doing that though... this girl got overtime last week, even though her "promotion" was well in effect.

Well, Kudos then to McDonald's for being less of a dickhead greedy corporation than Tricon (Pizza Slut/Taco Hell/Kentucky Friend Chicken Holocaust).

	19-09-2003 01:13									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Well, Kudos then to McDonald's for being less of a dickhead greedy corporation than Tricon (Pizza Slut/Taco Hell/Kentucky Friend Chicken Holocaust).

	19-09-2003 01:32									#15
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yeah I'm not too fond of my former employer

	19-09-2003 01:33									#16
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How much $ you earn?

	19-09-2003 01:36									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue How much $ you earn?

$7.50 as an ASS. Manager.

This was for a store that did over a $1 million a year. Personally, if I were to put someone in charge of revenue generator like that, I would pay them a little better to prevent undocumented losses.

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quote: $7.50 as an ASS. Manager.

I don't want to know what you did.

	19-09-2003 01:39									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sava $7.50 as an ASS. Manager. This was for a store that did over a $1 million a year. Personally, if I were to put someone in charge of revenue generator like that, I would pay them a little better to prevent undocumented losses.

So you stole from your employer. That's all I need to know.

	19-09-2003 01:43									#20
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT So you stole from your employer. That's all I need to know.

if you say so

	19-09-2003 01:44									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue I don't want to know what you did.

assistant

but I do manage ass

	19-09-2003 02:02									#22
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You're talking to new Area Executive of Burger Flipping Operations

j/k

	19-09-2003 02:04									#23
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Doesn't Speers work at McD's?

	19-09-2003 03:00									#24
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DP

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quote: Originally posted by Sava $7.50 as an ASS. Manager.

Here in sweden i get 9$ for slacking around in the kitchen doing big macs and cheeseburgers

@ THE LABOR UNION

	19-09-2003 05:46									#26
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect Here in sweden i get 9$ for slacking around in the kitchen doing big macs and cheeseburgers @ THE LABOR UNION

Don't worry, the progressive pendulum will once again swing to the people's favor once again in the US. I've seen the stats for adjusted minimum wage rates for the 50's and 60's. They were great compared to now. Also, the marginal tax rate back then for the top income bracket was around 90%. THAT'S AWESOME!

I guess that means I'm an economic conservative. I'm wishing for the good old days when the wealth concentration wasn't so drastically disproportionate as it is today.

	19-09-2003 06:25									#27
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Anybody here with inside experience? Asher?

What's your problem, old man?