19-09-2003 01:37									#1
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Ok guys, in order to speed up this game I think we should vote what it our next step. The options are

1. Wait in order to select ALL detalis about the goverment (will be a knesset or no?)

2. Start the game right now via selecting a Prime Minister by a direct vote, and let the PM to write, by consensus, a Constitution.

3. Select a system for the Knesset (Parlament) and then vote a Knesset which will select the PM.

This poll has a timeout of 48 hours, that is the maximum time I'll allow this to be open. I vote for the second option, in order to don't waste more time!

	19-09-2003 17:39									#2
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Start RIGHT NOW!

I nominate Pinky Gen for Prime Minister!

	19-09-2003 21:25									#3
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I tried to vote, but my session is invalid.
I voted for the second option. I nominate EmuGod

	20-09-2003 00:15									#4
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I voted start now, as it seems we have spent a lot of time already discussing governments, and the game seems to be moving no where.

	20-09-2003 01:12									#5
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quote: Originally posted by PinkyGen I voted start now, as it seems we have spent a lot of time already discussing governments, and the game seems to be moving no where.

OK, but we want to know if you accept your nomination or not?

	20-09-2003 03:57									#6
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most definitely NOT option 2. One person writing a CON is silly since this is a DEMOCRACY game

	20-09-2003 05:14									#7
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I'm working out the bugs in a modification of the Israeli election system that we can use. My government proposal is basically a modified version of H Tower's proposal.

	20-09-2003 08:11									#8
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There seems to be a slight favor for refining a system more, and I must say that even if I was PM, I would prefer to have a system already in place, rather than impose my own (even if it would be stolen....errr... "borrowed" from Htower's).

I am somewhat disturbed we only have 5 votes on this thing. Maybe we need to offer people bananas, or in this case, matzah.

	20-09-2003 18:03									#9
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quote: Originally posted by PinkyGen I am somewhat disturbed we only have 5 votes on this thing. Maybe we need to offer people bananas, or in this case, matzah.

Hey thats right! Where is the BANANA OPTION!

Yaro you are in BIG trouble!

	20-09-2003 18:08									#10
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quote: Originally posted by EmuGod I'm working out the bugs in a modification of the Israeli election system that we can use. My government proposal is basically a modified version of H Tower's proposal.

I hope this is NOT any more complicated than H Tower's.

His proposal is the cleanest and most elegant proposal we have right now. I cant speak for everyone else but I will NOT be in favor of anything that adds more layers.

I say we start simple, if we need additional positions we add as we go along.

The lack of voting on this topic leads me to believe folks are losing interest. We do not have enough folks for a complicated government. Even if it is well thought out and realistic.

Just MHO!

	20-09-2003 19:27									#11
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Can we start the game allredy?

	21-09-2003 01:38									#12
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The number of votes of 'wait for all the details' and 'select a system for the Knesset' is equall to the number of votes of 'start right now!', so let's wait a little more

Ok, guys, that is what I suggest: we don't have enoguh people to have a 'real' Knesset, so all the citizies (we're not many) are going to be members of the Knesset (Parlameint). There will be no problem in being, at the same time, member of the Parlameint and a military officer (I know that in Israel it is not true, but...). Let's hold elections right now to elect president and play with HTower System.

This way, is like a direct election, but some parties can sign alliances and impose a PM. What do you think? Anyway, in order to retain players, we need to start ASAP, IMHO.

(Sorry for not having banana )

	21-09-2003 04:39									#13
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Let's outline government.

	21-09-2003 06:31									#14
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Let's outline government.

El, check out this thread:

On Possible Governments

	23-09-2003 01:31									#15
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav The number of votes of 'wait for all the details' and 'select a system for the Knesset' is equall to the number of votes of 'start right now!', so let's wait a little more Ok, guys, that is what I suggest: we don't have enoguh people to have a 'real' Knesset, so all the citizies (we're not many) are going to be members of the Knesset (Parlameint). There will be no problem in being, at the same time, member of the Parlameint and a military officer (I know that in Israel it is not true, but...). Let's hold elections right now to elect president and play with HTower System. This way, is like a direct election, but some parties can sign alliances and impose a PM. What do you think? Anyway, in order to retain players, we need to start ASAP, IMHO. (Sorry for not having banana )

hi ,

, valid points there Yaro , ......

one think comes to mind that someone mentionted in a chat a long time ago with a game ; " its Quality that matters , not Quantity " , ......

have a nice day

	23-09-2003 01:49									#16
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Thank you, panag and I agree about quality over quantity (it can be our IDF motto!)

What do you think other players? Please Emugod or HTower if you don't find a better solution, open tomorrow a thread for PM election (I'll be out tomorrow) Thank you all.

	23-09-2003 01:53									#17
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav Thank you, panag and I agree about quality over quantity (it can be our IDF motto!) What do you think other players? Please Emugod or HTower if you don't find a better solution, open tomorrow a thread for PM election (I'll be out tomorrow) Thank you all.

hi ,

well in order to get more players we need some " exposure " , write a line in your sig like panag has done from day one , maybe a small story for the newssection , etc , ........

give it a week and we should get about 15-20 more people , then hold elections , .....

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	23-09-2003 02:56									#18
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Good idea, link added to my sig!

	23-09-2003 22:31									#19
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As president of the regular civ2 demogame it seems unwise to advertise this game in my sig.

Btw, the civgroupicon isnt working.

	24-09-2003 01:45									#20
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quote: Originally posted by atawa As president of the regular civ2 demogame it seems unwise to advertise this game in my sig. Btw, the civgroupicon isnt working.

hi ,

why not , .....

plenty of space in the sig for links , .......

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	27-09-2003 22:29									#21
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May I suggest our next step should be asking for nominations to the Knesset? I suggest there be 5 positions in the knesset who will then select a Prime Minister from the group.

I suggest there be one election, where you can vote for a mximum of 5 people.
However, how do we deal with possible vote fraud? Make everyone post their votes?

After being selected, the PM places members of the Knesset in the various cabinet positions (Economy and Science, Infrastructure and settlement, Defense, One additional member with no job)

	27-09-2003 22:49									#22
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Indeed, let's get the game moving!

	28-09-2003 01:07									#23
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I've suggested a system for the knesset here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=96830

but I think that HTower's system is better (no flaws) and easier. So, if no one has problems with it, I suggest that HTower start tomorrow a thread where we will post our votes... the problem is how we will post our votes: plain text, e-mail to an organizer... any ideas?

	28-09-2003 02:04									#24
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower May I suggest our next step should be asking for nominations to the Knesset? I suggest there be 5 positions in the knesset who will then select a Prime Minister from the group. I suggest there be one election, where you can vote for a mximum of 5 people. However, how do we deal with possible vote fraud? Make everyone post their votes? After being selected, the PM places members of the Knesset in the various cabinet positions (Economy and Science, Infrastructure and settlement, Defense, One additional member with no job)

hi ,

dont forget foreign affairs and interior , two key places since the birth of our country , ......

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	28-09-2003 02:27									#25
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We should organise the parties before we hold Knesset elections.

	28-09-2003 03:01									#26
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There are already three parties, Martín:

-Harmonic party (lead by HTower)
-One Israel (lead by PinkyGen)
-Centre Party (lead by Emugod)

	28-09-2003 03:02									#27
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav There are already three parties, Martín: -Harmonic party (lead by HTower) -One Israel (lead by PinkyGen) -Centre Party (lead by Emugod)

hi ,

dont forget no four ; the likud under panag

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	28-09-2003 22:56									#28
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I fit does not have at least 2 members then it is not an official party, panag,

	28-09-2003 23:01									#29
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quote: Originally posted by EmuGod I fit does not have at least 2 members then it is not an official party, panag,

hi ,

héy , lots of parties started out small , ......

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	29-09-2003 00:08									#30
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Panag, I though you were in One Israel, I have you on the official party list.