19-09-2003 06:23									#1
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EDITED 9/23 (23/9)

OK looks like we have some direction on the city planning so:

Tues, 9PM UTC/GMT (10pm London, 5pm New York)

#civ3dem, Undernet IRC server[/b] (for the people who have trouble with 'Poly)

Meeting Times Chart for helping you convert your time

Last edited by Makahlua on 23-09-2003 at 17:26

	19-09-2003 11:51									#2
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1-2 EST?

	19-09-2003 13:02									#3
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Sunday is good for me.

	19-09-2003 15:45									#4
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If it's Sunday then I'll be online at 4hPM EST

	19-09-2003 17:27									#5
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Sunday afternoon EST? Cannot do at all. 3pm onwards perhaps, but that would be pretty early for me...

	19-09-2003 19:30									#6
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Please, please, use the GMT standard time when making appointments...! I have the feeling that using "EST" confuses people (at least it confused me) since some parts of the world seem to be on daylight savings time, and some are not.

	19-09-2003 22:03									#7
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To those people who have said EST - do you mean EDT which most of Eastern Timezone is on or do you really mean EST which is 5 hours behind GMT?

	19-09-2003 22:33									#8
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I don't even have a clue what GMT is... i think GMT is like 4 hours in front of me. The Timezones that I take are these

Pacific
Mountain
Central
Est
Atlantic

Right now it's 14:29 Atlantic, so 13:29 Est, 12:29 Central, 11:29 Mountain & 10:29 Pacific. My bet is that right now it's 18:29 GMT since it's shows Atlantic -4:00 in my Timezone compared to GMT.. but I'm not sure

	19-09-2003 22:51									#9
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I have a better idea, let's use the unix standard.

Number of miliseconds since January 1st, 1980 (GMT).

	20-09-2003 00:58									#10
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Thanks Epi. Great idea

Any time on sunday would work well, but for MWIA I would suggest something like 16:00 Eastern (20:00 GMT IIRC) or later, which would also work well for most euros. Please note that I am noted for being real bad at converting from and to gmt because of all the daylight and non daylight time BS..... so I might be off by an hour or so.

http://greenwichmeantime.com/

Can be usefull.

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	20-09-2003 02:39									#11
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quote: The Greenwich Meridian (Prime Meridian or Longitude Zero degrees) marks the starting point of every time zone in the World. GMT is Greenwich Mean (or Meridian) Time is the mean (average) time that the earth takes to rotate from noon-to-noon. GMT is fixed all year and does not switch to daylight savings time. GMT is World Time and the basis of every world time zone which sets the time of day and is at the centre of the time zone map. GMT sets current time or official time around the globe. Most time changes are measured by GMT. Although GMT has been replaced by atomic time (UTC) it is still widely regarded as the correct time for every international time zone. Greenwich Mean Time is international time, the basis of the world time clock. Marks precision time and military time (sometimes called Zulu Time). Defines date and time and exact time. The atomic time clock is adjusted by leap seconds to maintain synchronicity with GMT. So if you want New York time = Eastern Standard Time (EST) or EDT during daylight savings time, the time zone converter is here!

With this is mind I'll go for 1700GMT Sunday.

	20-09-2003 03:04									#12
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Hmm I can do 1700 GMT. But the best time for me would be 2200 GMT

	20-09-2003 03:25									#13
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Alright, try this....

GMT = GMT + 0 hrs
EDT = GMT - 4 hrs
EST = GMT - 5 hrs
PDT = GMT - 7 hrs
PST = GMT - 8hrs

NZ time (me) = GMT + 12 hrs

Currently in the US Daylight Savings times are being observed, which are GMT - 4 hrs and GMT - 7 hrs respectively for the East and West coasts.

If we look at the time of Sunday1700GMT, this corresponds to:

2000 Jerusalem
1900 Berlin
1800 Paris
1700 London (duh!)
1300 New York time
1200 Mexico City/New Orleans
1100 Denver
1000 LA
0500 Wellington (NZ) (Monday)

Or 2200GMT means

0100 Jerusalem (Monday)
0000 Berlin (Monday)
2300 Paris
2200 London (duh!)
1800 New York time
1700 Mexico City/New Orleans
1600 Denver
1500 LA
1000 Wellington (NZ) (Monday)

I find this site useful as it is a one lin site of many major cities' times, and also has GMT (UTC) at the bottom.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

	20-09-2003 13:32									#14
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Ah. I think you made an error there. London is on daylight savings, so it is GMT +1.

GMT 17:00 = London 18:00 = Paris 19:00 !

Also, the difference between EDT and EST causes a lot of similar confusion....

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Well 22:00 GMT seems good to me, since I think MWIA needs a turn at attending And it's nice to have some ministers around too - BigFree is this good for you too? You're important right now with the barbs and all!

	20-09-2003 19:55									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Madcaptn I don't even have a clue what GMT is... i think GMT is like 4 hours in front of me. The Timezones that I take are these Pacific Mountain Central Est Atlantic Right now it's 14:29 Atlantic, so 13:29 Est, 12:29 Central, 11:29 Mountain & 10:29 Pacific. My bet is that right now it's 18:29 GMT since it's shows Atlantic -4:00 in my Timezone compared to GMT.. but I'm not sure

If you are observing daylight savings time currently, and you are in Atlantic Timezone then you will be GMT -3:00.

BTW, EST = Eastern Standard Time. EDT = Eastern Daylight Time. Most people in the Eastern timezone are on EDT, not EST currently. Same goes for lots of other timezones.

	20-09-2003 23:19									#17
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ok, let's say it so - 5pm NY time (10 pm in London). This will avoid the daylight correction.

	21-09-2003 00:09									#18
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Now - 22:00 in London (ormuzd), or 22:00 GMT (Makahlua) ? Those are actually two different things.

	21-09-2003 09:59									#19
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The unix standard is looking pretty good right about now. So what's the final time and place (undernet/apolyton)?

	21-09-2003 10:49									#20
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I'm gonna say 5p NYC/2200 London/2300 GMT

I tihnk I got that conversion right........

	21-09-2003 12:38									#21
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Actually, no. London is GMT +1.

If New York is at -4 right now, we have:

EDT New York 17:00
GMT 21:00
BST London 22:00
CEST Berlin/Paris 23:00

Does this help?

edit: I put it in my signature.

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	21-09-2003 21:27									#22
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Actually I'm in East Europe (guess the country ) but I'm not sure what will happen if I said 23:00 CET. Maybe there will be started another discussion about the daylight saving times and the names of the time zones

	21-09-2003 22:21									#23
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ok, WHEN are we going to do this again?

	22-09-2003 01:50									#24
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*points at BFM's post*

What he said

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edit: This should help too:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclo...6,137,70,75,264

And considering the amount of confusion we've had on it, perhaps move this chat Tues or Thurs? I also think we may need more discussion on the city sites in dispute.

Last edited by Makahlua on 22-09-2003 at 02:10

	22-09-2003 03:09									#25
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Yeah..I was wondering the same thing, when is that chat?

	22-09-2003 05:33									#26
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Can I just suggest that when a time is decided upon, the Prez may want to edit the top post and add in the time, date and roomname in bold? That would help all of us, I think.

	22-09-2003 12:02									#27
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Well? How did the chat go? I don't see any report anywhere.

	22-09-2003 14:40									#28
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there was no chat I guess

	22-09-2003 19:34									#29
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Ah. Post #1 was edited. Also with a very useful link.

	22-09-2003 19:59									#30
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Sorry guys I won't be able to do it. It would be around 10 and 11 P.M. my time on a week day.