19-09-2003 11:21									#1
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guns rights
environment
choice (in reference to abortion)
seperation of church and state
privacy rights
free speech
fiscal responsibility
expanded voting rights
free trade
9th amendment rights!

drug war
patriot act
corporate welfare
censorship
hate crime legislation
DMCA
farm subsidies
national deficits
affirmative action
social security as it is currently structured

	19-09-2003 11:26									#2
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guns rights
environment
choice (in reference to abortion)
seperation of church and state
privacy rights
free speech
fiscal responsibility
expanded voting rights
free trade
9th amendment rights! ( Unclear, case law has very few 9th Amendment rights.. most are under Due Process)
drug war
patriot act
(both) corporate welfare
censorship
hate crime legislation
DMCA
farm subsidies
national deficits
affirmative action
social security as it is currently structured

	19-09-2003 11:28									#3
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Imran

now if you would only add state rights to the you'd be an alright fellow

	19-09-2003 11:29									#4
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oh and people don't have to pick and choose from my options, just whatever you are for and whatever you are against is fine

	19-09-2003 11:29									#5
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I'd give to state's rights .

	19-09-2003 11:33									#6
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lol

i know, but why? (seriously)
is i because you think that the states are better at handling the vast amount of issues facing people, or what? i personally think that they are untrustworthy middle men

then again i don't trust the federal government either, though in theory I'm for a centralized system

	19-09-2003 11:37									#7
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quote: i know, but why? (seriously)

I believe that local political units can do better for their areas than larger ones. You have problems in huge political entities, such as the US, where they focus on some parts of the country to the detriment to all others. States are closer to the people.

Secondly, its a Constitutional issue. We gave the federal government limited powers and the states greater powers. Federal government is limited by what is granted under the Constitution. State government is unlimited except where denied to them by the people (through laws) or the federal Constitution.

AND, they are great experiments. It is far better to have a recall in California and see how that works out than to try it in the entire US.

These are a few of the reasons (except for the Constitution part) I support a limited EU, with individual states still holding prime power.

	19-09-2003 11:45									#8
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Imran

my basic belief is that the perfect goverment would be akin to a very responsive franchise operation...

you have the main organization providing standardized goods for the political consumers through its affiliates, but the local managers have some latitude in the implementation of certain things. I prefer smaller, less intrusive governments, that basically act as referees and judges for the most part.

	19-09-2003 11:53									#9
	Re: political ala carte (pick and choose your positions) Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

guns rights
environment
choice (in reference to abortion)
seperation of church and state
privacy rights
free speech
fiscal responsibility
expanded voting rights
free trade
9th amendment rights!

drug war
patriot act
corporate welfare
censorship
hate crime legislation
DMCA
farm subsidies
Depends. Really wish I knew more economics.- national deficits
affirmative action
social security as it is currently structured [/QUOTE]

	19-09-2003 11:54									#10
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God... a franchise operation? Have you ever been to a McDonalds?

No way I'd want my government that cookie cutter among the provinces of it.

	19-09-2003 11:59									#11
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I was thinking more along the lines of Papa John's lol,

If the government was being appropriately Jeffersonian, a cookie cutter approach with some flexibility built into the system wouldn't be that bad. However, I know that isn't going to happen anytime soon (like my lifetime). Nor is it ever going to be efficient either. It seems like our government has more bloat in it than all of the mylanta commercials put together.

	19-09-2003 12:02									#12
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I'd prefer a looser federation of states. A strong federal government, yes, but with lesser power than it has now.

	19-09-2003 15:49									#13
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Originally posted by korn469

environment
choice (in reference to abortion)
seperation of church and state
privacy rights
free speech
fiscal responsibility
affirmative action
federal power
unions
hate crime legislation
social security as it is currently structured

/ globalization
/ drug war

bush
guns rights
vouchers
patriot act
corporate welfare
censorship
farm subsidies
national deficits
free trade
huge nuclear arsenals
enormous military spending

:eh?: DMCA
:eh?: expanded voting rights

	19-09-2003 16:11									#14
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guns rights
environment
choice (in reference to abortion)
seperation of church and state
privacy rights
free speech
fiscal responsibility
expanded voting rights
free trade
9th amendment rights!

drug war
patriot act
corporate welfare
censorship
hate crime legislation
DMCA
farm subsidies
national deficits
affirmative action
social security as it is currently structured

	19-09-2003 16:24									#15
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Well, I certainly oppose environment! Lousy environment being all clean and proper... it's skulking on us, I say! Besides, I have it on a good source that the enviroment is communist and has connections to Al-Qaeda.

Also, I oppose fiscal responsibility. If the government doesn't spend money on frivolities like a bunch of drunken sailors, then the terrorists have already won! We certainly need agencies subsidizing poodle manicuring and Nigerian carpenty, a 75% tax cut for everybody named Keith.

	19-09-2003 16:27									#16
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	19-09-2003 19:28									#17
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to feeding stray animals to the elderly, to fatten them up.

	19-09-2003 19:48									#18
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A few of these can't be summed up with a or ... guns rights for instance. I believe in the public's right to bear arms, but there are limits. I think we should have a process of registration with weapons just like cars. I think certain weapons should be banned for public sale, like assault weapons. And I support local government's right to ban the sale of weapons in their locales.

I also like the idea of free trade, but in its current form, I think it's bad. America is hemorraging jobs to countries that don't conform with our labor standards. I support free-trade treaties and pacts, and think that they should require countries to abide by our standards of labor.

I like the idea of Social Security for people unable to work (elderly or disabled) but think the current system needs reform. I would remove the cap on taxable income because the system is terribly regressive. By capping taxable amount around $80,000; people making hundreds of millions of dollars pay far below the percentage of SS that I have to pay. I'm opposed to privatization because the market is a crapshoot, and the last thing we need is people's futures in the hands of Wall Street crooks.

	19-09-2003 19:58									#19
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quote: Originally posted by korn469 guns rights environment choice (in reference to abortion) seperation of church and state * privacy rights free speech fiscal responsibility expanded voting rights ? free trade 9th amendment rights! drug war patriot act corporate welfare censorship hate crime legislation DMCA farm subsidies national deficits affirmative action social security as it is currently structured

Pretty close to mine, but abortion isn't a choice, IMO.

As long as you recognize that seperation of Church and State is meant as no OFFICIALLY sanctioned religion, fine.

Expanded voting rights? If you mean lowering the age,no.

9th Amendment, I think is just TOO much of a catch-all.

The Patriot Act? Changing times make this necessary, IMO once again.


DMCA, truthfully, I'm not familiar enough to comment.

	19-09-2003 21:01									#20
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guns rights
environment
choice (in reference to abortion)
seperation of church and state
privacy rights
free speech
fiscal responsibility
expanded voting rights
free trade
9th amendment rights!
hate crime legalisation

drug war
patriot act
corporate welfare
censorship
farm subsidies
national deficits
affirmative action
social security as it is currently structured

	19-09-2003 22:28									#21
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SlowwHand

My opinions about abortion come from first hand experience (one of close friends got an abortion) and rational thought about it.

I think that abortion is in most cases a traumatic event for the woman who had it. I think that abortion is the last, and poorest choice for family planning, which usually results from a lack of planning. I don't see abortion as a good thing, and in a perfect world there wouldn't be any need for it. However, as bad as abortion is, I think that it is better than the alternative, which is to ban abortion, which would in turn criminalize it.

One reason that we have so many abortions is that birth control is still a fairly undeveloped field. Condoms have existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years. They are not 100% effective, and they have a number of drawbacks that cause people not to use them. The birth control pill has been around for about 50 years and has a number of side effects, and it is easy to forget to take the pills at the right time. In fact about the highest effective rate is 98 or 99% effective for any current birth control method, and they all either have disadvantages.

here's a list
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/bc/cchoices.html

something to think about is that sterilization is the most popular form of birth control in America

Another reason is that children are hella expensive! The USDA says it will be around 190,000 dollars. So that is over 10,000 dollars per year, per child. Then there is the cost in terms of time, effort, oppertunity cost, etc. Children are a major undertaking
http://aol1.bankrate.com/aol/calc/raiseChild.asp

Then you have social mores that look down on single moms, unwilling fathers who refuse to help, families living barely within in their means (i've heard that married women in their late 20's-early 30's get more abortions than anybody else, maybe somebody could check this for me), career aspirations, etc.

All of that adds up to a number of reasons why a person wouldn't want a child. Then some people simply don't want children, and some people aren't capable of taking care of them (drug addicts come to mind here). All of that present a number of realities for me on why there is a need for abortion.

If I lived in a better world there would be a third approach to abortion that finds a new path between the prochoice, and prolife sides. A side that recognizes that prochoice is needed, but only as a stop gap measure until society no longer needs abortion. It would focus on better forms of birth control, changes to society that would make it easier to raise children in, easier adoption, along with a number of other changes. I would like to see abortions drop to zero, and hopefully it will one day. However, I'm not in favor of locking up women who feel they don't have any other choice than to get an abortion, or subjecting them to illegal unsafe methods of abortion. To me that is worse than the abortion itself.

	19-09-2003 22:34									#22
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I guess my basic view on things is that society can consider many things "bad" and try to do something about it without making it against the law. That is what I mean for the most part when I say 9th amendment rights.

Pot smoking would fall into this category, as would pornography (the whole free speech argument for strip clubs is kinda humorous when you think about it), drinking alcohol, being racist, being a jerk to people around you, eating as much as you want...basically anything that makes you happy that doesn't hurt people.

	19-09-2003 22:48									#23
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guns rights
environment
seperation of church and state
privacy rights
free speech
fiscal responsibility
free trade

/ drug war - Drugs should be illegal, but the current approach is inefficient and expensive
/ hate crime legislation

expanded voting rights
abortion
patriot act
corporate welfare
censorship
DMCA
farm subsidies
national deficits
affirmative action
social security as it is currently structured

	19-09-2003 22:52									#24
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	19-09-2003 22:53									#25
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	19-09-2003 22:55									#26
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talk like a pirate day!

	19-09-2003 23:25									#27
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	20-09-2003 00:16									#28
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	20-09-2003 00:22									#29
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What are 9th amendment rights?