20-09-2003 04:35									#1
	The "Greats of Boxing" Thread. Tired of ads?

Anyone else here a fight fan?

For me Roy Jones Jr. is king of the ring right now, but here's a couple of lists.

Pound for Pound All Time

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Joe Louis
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Jack Johnson

Honorable mention: Archie Moore, Mike Tyson, Carlos Monzon

Greatest Fights

1. Moore vs. Durelle
2. Ali vs. Frazier III
3. Walcott vs. Marciano
4. Ali vs. Williams
5. Gatti vs Ward I

Honorable mention: Ali vs. Frazier I; Ali vs. Foreman; Hagler vs. Leonard; Hearns vs. Leonard I; Hagler vs. Hearns; Dempsey vs. Willard; Louis vs. Conn; Tyson vs. Holyfield; Robinson vs. LaMotta.

Best Knockout

1. Marciano KO Walcott (a short punch, but Joe is history)
2. Ali KO Williams
2. Tyson KO Spinks
3. Foreman KO Frazier (that one's a massacre)
4. Johanssen KO Patterson
5. Hagler KO Hearns.

	20-09-2003 04:46									#2
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Begins and ends with The Man.

	20-09-2003 04:56									#3
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Begins and ends with The Man.

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What have you been smoking, Sloww? Even Ali has admitted that Robinson was better pound for pound than he was.

	20-09-2003 05:00									#4
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That doesn't mean that Sloww has to agree with him .

After all, Magic Johnson has said Michael Jordan is the 'best basketball player of all time', but I don't have to believe him .

	20-09-2003 05:00									#5
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He's only being modest. Showing how gracious he is.

	20-09-2003 05:06									#6
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Roy Jones, Jr?

How can you tell?

He fights nobody, and don't give me that John Ruiz crap either.

I watched a fight on NBC last week that lasted 34 seconds.

Rocky Juarez from Houston knocked a guy out with aleft hook that was a sight to behold, when the guy woke up on the mat, he immediately threw a couple of jabs, thinking he was still fighting.

ACK!

	20-09-2003 05:19									#7
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I was the greatest welterweight, just so you'll know.
There. A day when you actually learned something.

	20-09-2003 05:35									#8
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Slow,

I'm surprised you haven't put in a good word for Jack Johnson

	20-09-2003 05:38									#9
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I never saw Jack Johnson; but yes, he was very good.

	20-09-2003 05:49									#10
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Off topic but to do with boxing.

If anybody outside of the U.K gets to see any of our fights look out for David Hayes. He is a cruiser/heavy and while he may never be great, he is our most exciting young talent and has a great pedigree(World Am silver against a good cuban who was about 8? years older and that he dropped in the first round).


Oh, sorry, yeah, Archie Moore was a great pound for pound fighter.

	20-09-2003 05:52									#11
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Y'all are crazy.

The only time anyone ever shut up Ali was Joe Louis, when Ali was still champ the second time. Some benefit got together all the current and former heavyweight champions they could (IIRC, there were 6, including Ali, Frazier and Louis), and Ali was running his mouth as usual about how he was the greatest.

Louis just snorted, and then Ali went off about how Louis's career record was inflated by the "Bum of the Month club, so Louis wasn't that great. Louis just looked at motormouth right in the eye and all he said is "You would have been one of the bums." And Ali just deflated.

Louis KO'd five world heavyweight champions, he still defended his title sucessfully more times than anyone in history, and even if you knock him for the Bum of the Month club (everyone was a bum compared to Louis), he lost four years of opportunity to defend his title during WW2 military service.

Look at the film of the Louis-Schmelling rematch, and tell me there's any boxer ever made who could stand up to Louis,

Even on a pound for pound basis, I'd rank Louis #1

My list:

Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano - 49-0, 11 first round KO's, don't like it, too bad.
Sugar Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon
Sugar Ray Leonard (depending on which weight - five titles in five weight classes still qualifies)
Tony Canzoneri
Marvelous Marvin Hagler

	20-09-2003 05:57									#12
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I knocked Leonard down and knocked Donald Curry out.
What's it take to make your "expert's" list?

	20-09-2003 05:58									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon 2. Tyson KO Spinks

I would like to see this

Jon Miller

	20-09-2003 06:31									#14
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I knocked Leonard down and knocked Donald Curry out. What's it take to make your "expert's" list?

Well, knocking someone down don't cut it.

	20-09-2003 06:37									#15
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Rocky Marciano is the best, IMO, followed by Louis and Dempsey.

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Boxing is a barbarous spectacle. I won't even honor by calling is a sport. I'm with Howard Cosel, it's disgusting and inhumane.

	20-09-2003 06:50									#17
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The day you can knock Leonard down, even now, then you can say "Don't cut it".
SHEESH! What a snob.

	20-09-2003 06:52									#18
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Boxing is a barbarous spectacle. I won't even honor by calling is a sport. I'm with Howard Cosel, it's disgusting and inhumane.

Ol' Howard the Mouth had no problem with it when he was making money off of it. It's an olympic sport, and references go back at least to Homer, so it's a sport.

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Homer was a barbarian.

	20-09-2003 13:23									#20
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There's not a lot I can say about the old boys as I've seen next to nothing of their fights. Of the one I have seen, the following are my picks.

Marvin Hagler
Tommy Hearns
Wilfred Benitez
Sugar Ray Leonard

Best fights I've seen were Watson v Eubanks and Benn v McClelland. It's just unfortunate that those two bouts both ended with a man crippled.

	20-09-2003 16:36									#21
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Olympic gold 1988 in middle weight or whatever you call it? GDR? Henry Maske anyone?

	20-09-2003 16:37									#22
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OK I suppose you are into the fat guys... Schmeling!

	20-09-2003 17:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Boxing is a barbarous spectacle. I won't even honor by calling is a sport. I'm with Howard Cosel, it's disgusting and inhumane.

Amateur boxing still has some dignity. But the professionals are going down the tubes fast - it's starting to look like something this side of pro wrestling.

There's some great up-and-coming boxers coming out of the Kronk gym, and I hope they breathe new life into pro boxing soon.

	20-09-2003 22:56									#24
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Rocky Marciano is the best, IMO, followed by Louis and Dempsey.

Marciano beat nobody except old fighters and pumped up light heavyweights, IMO he looses to (at least!), Ali, Liston, Foreman, Lewis, Holmes, Tyson, (a prime) Louis and probally Frazier

Top 5 P4P

1 Robinson
2 Ali
=3 Duran
=3 Leonard
5 Hagler

Yep, I'm biased towards the 80's 'fab four' but thats what I grew up watching

	20-09-2003 23:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay Amateur boxing still has some dignity.

Yes and no, since it's not just a couple o' sides of beef pounding the bejeezuz outta each other. On the other hand, taking shots to the head over a period of time just isn't good for your brain, even with head protection. Your brain still bounces around inside your skull.