20-09-2003 12:45									#1
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Agathon hid this gem of a thread off in the Mac forum, but it deserves to be here. The thread I'm speaking of is here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=2350055&t=4709

quote: Originally posted by Agathon I'm posting this here because I don't want to start a flame war. Any time someone wants to argue with Asher's BS about G5 performance you should read this first. You may remember that Apple was accused of cooking the books on their G5 spec tests. Many sites reported this although most were quite reasonable and noted the limitations of such tests. Like me most people thought that it would be best to wait for real world application performance to judge the computer by, since I'd heard that companies often BS these tests. Well.... by accident I found out some interesting things. I remember that all this originated from a site called haxial.com in Australia. Indeed the other web sites that ran the story basically copied it from that site. I actually remember reading it at the time as it was linked to by all the other reports. Well, it turns out that the author is a complete whacko. For instance he wrote this gem on the evil of purebreed pets and this as well. The guy's a nut. Check out MacSlash and scroll down to "I know this guy". Anyway I got to all this info and links to companies included in the demo who support the test results from this site. I don't know whether he's on the level but it makes for interesting reading.

So, because some guy who wrote one of the first critiques of the blindingly-obvious slanted SPEC benchmarks has had insane opinions in the past, therefore we can ignore both the official SPEC results and real-world test results of the G5 and proclaim that anyone saying it's not faster than today's PC processors is full of BS.

This is some remarkable logic, mind-blowing in fact (and not in a good way).

Would somebody care to explain to a university instructor of Philosophy why this is so ridiculous?

	20-09-2003 12:47									#2
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Do you usually post your rebuttals at 2:45 in the morning? Or are you just trying to get some shots in while Agathon is asleep?

	20-09-2003 12:47									#3
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I post when I can, I just got home and haven't been on the internet since early this morning so this is the best I can do.

[tangent]And I think people who post threads when they're drunk full of obvious typos are pandering for attention or simply stupid.[/tangent]

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At any rate, I fail to see why we need another version of this thread, especially when the other one grants sweet +1 with every post.

	20-09-2003 12:49									#5
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quote: [tangent]And I think people who post threads when they're drunk full of obvious typos are pandering for attention or simply stupid.[/tangent]

I agree.

	20-09-2003 12:50									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten At any rate, I fail to see why we need another version of this thread, especially when the other one grants sweet +1 with every post.

Because one is in a forum where everyone will pat Agathon on the ass and say "Good job, mate.", and the other one is outside of the Apple reality distortion field that Jobs made so famous.

	20-09-2003 12:52									#7
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I think a thread about Macs belongs in the Mac forum. Makes sense.

The Mac forum needs all the help it can get.

	20-09-2003 12:53									#8
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A thread about Mac hardware certainly doesn't belong in a "Civ-Macintosh" forum, it belongs in the "Off-Topic" forum since it has nothing to do with Civ.

	20-09-2003 12:53									#9
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DT, stop being a chinerd

	20-09-2003 12:54									#10
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Sorry. Hanging around all these chigeeks is getting to me.

	20-09-2003 12:56									#11
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you shall be teugiven

	20-09-2003 12:57									#12
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BTW, I've been shooting virtual Germans in the head all day. Strangely comforting...

	20-09-2003 12:59									#13
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In Wolfenstein? Fine by me, as long as it keeps you from discovering our dark motives in the real world.

	20-09-2003 13:01									#14
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Nah, Medal of Honor: Frontline. A very realistic game, in which one American soldier is man enough to destroy an entire German secret weapons program.

	20-09-2003 13:04									#15
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teu-

	20-09-2003 13:06									#16
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It's not an insult to our superior Teutonic blood. The best Americans are of German descent.

	20-09-2003 13:08									#17
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Such as Kissinger, Eisenhauer, sorry -hower, Schurz, etc etc etc, yet America didn't side with us in WWI

	20-09-2003 13:12									#18
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There must've been a reason for it. America doesn't make mistakes.

	20-09-2003 13:15									#19
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Would you be so kind as to post the same line with "America" replaced by "Germany"?

I'm getting bored by my sig, you see

	20-09-2003 13:17									#20
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Not a chance.

	20-09-2003 13:18									#21
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doesn't wolfowitz also have german blood?

	20-09-2003 13:19									#22
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quote: doesn't wolfowitz also have german blood?

I don't know. I do know he would be more awesome if he did, however.

	20-09-2003 13:22									#23
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you're right, he'd be more awesome. the tradeoff would be that he'd be much less of a credit to the teutonic lineage.

	20-09-2003 13:33									#24
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quote: the tradeoff would be that he'd be much less of a credit to the teutonic lineage.

Why? Militarism in the name of an idealistic cause is a hallmark of Teutonic culture. Just look at the Teutonic Knights themselves, bringing the heathens to god via the sword.

	20-09-2003 13:36									#25
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yeah, but wolfowitz looks a bit too frail to have a metal cap and a big longsword.

	20-09-2003 13:37									#26
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That's what Rummy is for...

	20-09-2003 13:41									#27
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but rummy looks too old and frail to hold a huge war axe...

	20-09-2003 13:44									#28
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I think Rummy could still kick some ass, old man or not. I sure wouldn't **** with him.

But even if he can't wield a battle axe (not that the Teutonic Knights did either ), Richard Armitage is always there to shoulder the burden. I'd like to see you think of some weapon that beast of a man can't handle.

	20-09-2003 13:45									#29
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we can call him army.

	20-09-2003 13:50									#30
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I'm getting kind of hungry. Should I brave the typhoon to go get some curry fixin's? Or should I just suck it up and wait until morning?