21-09-2003 02:33									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Sounds interesting. Unfortunately it's only subtitled in dutch, and probably isn't offered here in the US. I am however disconsolate to hear that you still have "underclasses" in Europe. You should try to avoid having them as they're very demoralizing. Maybe one reason that American films are so popular in Europe and around the world is that American films rarely insult the "underclass". You'd be amazed at how many working people really get their hackles up at being portrayed as a "underclass". Hey! That would make a pretty good cartoon: "Underclass" "There's no need to fear! Underclass is here!"

It's not like that here. We are not afraid to look at harsh realities eye to eye And this film is very real. Not only in what it portrays but also in HOW it portrays it. Quite original directing. Recommened if you can find it in the US.

	21-09-2003 02:35									#32
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quote: It is estimated that another two weeks of concentrated bombing against airfields would have seen the RAF defeated, and the road for an invasion of the U.K. open.

Apart from the Royal Navy, the RAF rebasing to the Midlands, and two million soldiers. There was never any realistic chance of the Germans invading.

	21-09-2003 02:35									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The synopsis is riddled with laughable historical inaccuracies Such as? Doc's explination seems to back the synopsis. Americans along with Poles and Czechs, etc. volunteered for the RAF.

Yeah, but it would be a stretch of the imagination to say that the successful defense of Britain hinged on a few American fliers covertly recruited in the US. The French, Poles, and Czecks didn't have to be covertly recruited as they were drawn from the ranks of refugees already living in Britain.

You also have to realize that since the dogfights were almost exclusively fought in British airspace, British pilots who were able to bail out could be put back into service, while German pilots shot down would be lost to the Luftwaffe. I think the British actually had a harder time keeping enough fighters in service for awhile.

	21-09-2003 02:36									#34
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Navy doesn't do much good without aircover.

	21-09-2003 02:38									#35
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quote: No doubt the effeminate, cowardly, British chaps will be getting crushed by the invincible German war machine, until the American good ol' boys show up to kick Nazi ass.

Umm...those good 'ol boys did show up and kick Nazi ass. But no doubt I'd wait for the movie to see how the Brits are portrayed...

	21-09-2003 02:39									#36
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quote: it would be a stretch of the imagination to say that the successful defense of Britain hinged on a few American fliers covertly recruited in the US.

Well we don't know how the movie would handle it. I don't think they'd make American fighters be the be-all, end-all of the fight, but show they were somewhat important.

	21-09-2003 02:40									#37
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The Brits won the Battle of Britain without significant numbers of US pilots - I really dislike movies that belittle the British contributions.

	21-09-2003 02:40									#38
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	21-09-2003 02:40									#39
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 It's not like that here. We are not afraid to look at harsh realities eye to eye And this film is very real. Not only in what it portrays but also in HOW it portrays it. Quite original directing. Recommened if you can find it in the US.

Over the years there have been a number of brilliant films made in the US dealing with racism and poverty.

I really would like to see this film. I'm not afraid to watch subtitled foreign films. I don't speak or read dutch however. The description mentioned that the film is in French with Dutch subtitles. Is there a version wih English subtitles?

	21-09-2003 02:45									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Over the years there have been a number of brilliant films made in the US dealing with racism and poverty. I really would like to see this film. I'm not afraid to watch subtitled foreign films. I don't speak or read dutch however. The description mentioned that the film is in French with Dutch subtitles. Is there a version wih English subtitles?

There is one with greek subtitles so I imagine there should be one with english as well. It is an award winning film so I'm sure there must be copies with subtitles in many languages.

This film is a "punch in the stomach" and it doesn't contain not even one scene of violence

	21-09-2003 02:53									#41
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quote: Such as? Doc's explination seems to back the synopsis. Americans along with Poles and Czechs, etc. volunteered for the RAF.

The pilot shortage was never as acute as the synopsis claims; spitfires never 'sat idly in their hangars'. I seriously doubt that 'a desperate' Winston Churchill ordered a covert scheme to attract just 12 American pilots, desperate though he was to involve America in the war.

Cruise's character, Billy Fiske, undoubtably brave though he was, only flew three combat missions before dying, and did not shoot down any enemy planes. His main significance is that he was the first American pilot to die in the war.

I'd be surprised if they adhere to the history books on his tragically short stint flying for the RAF.

quote: Umm...those good 'ol boys did show up and kick Nazi ass. But no doubt I'd wait for the movie to see how the Brits are portrayed...

After the Battle of Britain, not during it.

	21-09-2003 03:15									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman im posting for the first time in a month. i think i have broken the addiction, but as to not reinitiate it, ill be going before saying my opinion. bye

that has to be one of the most useless posts ever (no offense )

Good luck with your addiction :P

	21-09-2003 03:23									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well we don't know how the movie would handle it. I don't think they'd make American fighters be the be-all, end-all of the fight, but show they were somewhat important.

The problem is the American contribution in this case was essentially irrelevant as far as pilots go. There were about 7 Americans flying during the battle of Britain, and they only shot down a total of one enemy plane. Its virtually 100% certain that the movie is going to badly butcher history.

	21-09-2003 04:09									#44
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Forgot the say that Rosetta was called " the condemnation of the social democrat model" by some of the european Press since when it was filmed the social democrats reigned supreme in Europe - and still these scenes existed. It's not a political film though it is absolutely focused on everyday people and real life - as it is- , this is a "sidenote".

	21-09-2003 05:01									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Actually the typical part is that you can't even figure out when your being trolled.

Yeah, you reeled that one in and netted him.

(even though trolling comes from the other meaning of troll)

	21-09-2003 06:42									#46
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on The Passion, Gibson is a member of a radical catholic sect, the sort that no longer recognize the papacy cause of Vatican II, and this movie is his grand Cristian opus: first of all, it is all in Aramaic (it should acutally be part in Greek, cause that is what many Romans and jews spoke, but anyway) with english subtitles (at first it had NO subtitles) and is supposed to be very naturalistic.

It has not been shown to most regular movie critics, though he ahs held lots of screenings with evangelical audiences and they just love it.

	21-09-2003 06:48									#47
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quote: No doubt the effeminate, cowardly, British chaps will be getting crushed by the invincible German war machine, until the American good ol' boys show up to kick Nazi ass.

Even our gay movie stars are more manly than the average Brit!

USA! USA! USA!

	21-09-2003 06:49									#48
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As for the Passion, the trailer for it is very good. I'm actually looking forward to seeing it. Anyone know if it's been picked up for distribution yet?

	21-09-2003 06:59									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Well, their leadership was actually quite brilliant, so brilliant to the point I don't think there has ever been another group of leaders ever assembled that has had so much talent. I'm talking about generals, who were light years ahead of everybody else. Hitler on the other hand is another story.

Don't forget Goering, Hesse, and Himmler, none of whom were poster children for mental health.

	21-09-2003 07:37									#50
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Here you go little redneckie you.

Thank you oh hairy one.

	21-09-2003 08:09									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker http://www.hairyback.com/

I wish I was that hairy.

	21-09-2003 09:41									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: No doubt the effeminate, cowardly, British chaps will be getting crushed by the invincible German war machine, until the American good ol' boys show up to kick Nazi ass. Even our gay movie stars are more manly than the average Brit!

Riiight. Which very full closet have you been looking in?

Of course, someone could always make a film about how the inbred slave owning hypocrites across the water had to rely on Native Americans, a German, the Spanish and the French! Good grief, the French! to pull their fat out of the fire during their war of land grabbing and taxation evasion.

But in the present climate I doubt such a cinema verite approach would go down too well.....

Although having said that, I am enjoying the 'Rebels and Redcoats' series currently screening on ABC.

	26-09-2003 00:26									#53
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I wish I was that hairy.

Steve Mariotti used to say that you could use Ed Asner's body hair as a unit of measure, i.e. that guy's so hairy, he's like 2.5 Asners!

	26-09-2003 00:34									#54
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quote: No doubt the effeminate, cowardly, British chaps will be getting crushed by the invincible German war machine, until the American good ol' boys show up to kick Nazi ass.

Oh no! Non-revistied History! How dare they tell the truth!

Go Yanks!

	26-09-2003 00:59									#55
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quote: Yes, compared to the great movie-entertainment complex that is Belgium we poor yeanks simply can't compete

Dunno about movies, but they have a movie theather that is BIGGER than any in the US. (in fact, it's the second biggest in the world). I go there weekly.

	26-09-2003 01:03									#56
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There is no movie industry as talented, gifted, and fruitful as the american movie industry. People keep forgetting that this is art, entertainment and propoganda. Did you see "documentary" written anywhere? didn't think so.

	26-09-2003 02:51									#57
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This film will be sh1te,

to save you the trouble of watching it, here it is in a nutshell...

'Cocky Yank Tom Cruise, renegade fighter pilot, not afraid to bend the rules to get the job done, has 24 hours to win the war or the D.A. is going to kick his butt and take his badge'

	26-09-2003 02:52									#58
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quote: Originally posted by GePap on The Passion, Gibson is a member of a radical catholic sect, the sort that no longer recognize the papacy cause of Vatican II,

Gosh!! Doesn't that make him a Protestant? Has anyone told him that?

"Hey! Mel! You're a Protestant! Get over it!"

	26-09-2003 03:30									#59
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quote: Oh no! Non-revistied History! How dare they tell the truth!

America's help during the Battle of Britain = almost nothing.

quote: Did you see "documentary" written anywhere? didn't think so.

Type "The Few" and "Tom Cruise" into Google. I see 'fact-based drama', 'historical biopic' and 'true story'. Some of the websites have evidently already bought into the lies.

	26-09-2003 03:39									#60
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I think he is an "old catholic".
I want to see the movie.