20-09-2003 23:50									#1
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You may have heard of this. It's a drama set during the Battle of Britain, starring Tom Cruise as Billy Fiske:

"an Olympic athlete and fighter pilot who was half-American and half-British, led a small group of American pilots who broke U.S. neutrality rules in the early days of WWII to fight with the British against the Nazis. In 1940, expert German fighters had decimated the Royal Air Force to the point that there weren't enough pilots left to fly the Spitfire planes sitting idly in hangars. Unable to rouse the U.S. into action, a desperate Winston Churchill hatched a covert effort to recruit civilian American pilots to join the RAF. Risking prison sentences in the then-neutral U.S., a ragtag bunch of pilots answered the call."

Sigh. No doubt the effeminate, cowardly, British chaps will be getting crushed by the invincible German war machine, until the American good ol' boys show up to kick Nazi ass.

I hope this film never gets made.

	20-09-2003 23:52									#2
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The Neutrality act made after 1770 but before 1800... says that a person will get 3 years in prison and or a 3000 dollar fine. As far as I know they never changed this statute.

	21-09-2003 00:42									#3
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This is a prime example of why I have not watched a hollywood movie in years.

	21-09-2003 00:45									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld This is a prime example of why I have not watched a hollywood movie in years.

bulsshit, there's plenty of other good hollywood movies, it's just that 90% is utter crap, 8% is okay to watch without puking with disgust and 2% as really entertaining movies

	21-09-2003 00:48									#5
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One thing is that Eurocoms mistakenly believe we actually like the stupider Hollywood movies

We hate them as much as you do

And we have to live with the embarrassment of coming from the place where they are made

	21-09-2003 00:49									#6
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Yes, compared to the great movie-entertainment complex that is Belgium we poor yeanks simply can't compete.

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I wonder what title the Italian Job will have if it ever gets shown in Italy - probably the Hand Job.

	21-09-2003 00:53									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Yes, compared to the great movie-entertainment complex that is Belgium we poor yeanks simply can't compete.

I'm willing to bet you haven't even watched a belgium movie before.

	21-09-2003 00:58									#9
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Hard to when you don't make any.

	21-09-2003 00:59									#10
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I understand that "Luther" will hit the theaters next week. Yes, that's right, a Hollywood movie based on the life of Martin Luther. By the looks of the trailers it's made by the same people who made "Gladiator". The trailer features a dramatic punchline delivered by the Luther character himself: "I didn't say there wouldn't be a price to pay."

	21-09-2003 01:01									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Hard to when you don't make any.

Me personally, or Belgium?

I don't make movies, but lots of people in Belgium do.

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Jeez, Doc, thanks for reminding us about that cheap whore, Holly Wood.

Get that b1tch some innoculations!!

	21-09-2003 01:18									#13
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I wonder. Mel Gibson is releasing his epic about the life of Christ "Passion" around easter next year. Will the Christ character look down from the cross and with a thick accent announce "I'll be back!"?

Nahhhh! Mel's way too devout to do that. Nahhh!

Well, maybe. Nahhhhh!

	21-09-2003 01:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Yes, compared to the great movie-entertainment complex that is Belgium we poor yeanks simply can't compete.

First of all: there are good movies made in hollywood.
secondly, what the hell has belgium got to do with this?
thirdly we just don't spill out tons of utter crap every 2 seconds out there like hollywood does so why would you want to compare them both?

You have never watched a Belgian film before, so how on earth can you judge the movies? I know a great deal of magnificent movies made in Belgium your fine billion dollar movies can buttkiss with delight!

the ignorance is so typical

	21-09-2003 01:41									#15
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Actually the typical part is that you can't even figure out when your being trolled.

	21-09-2003 01:42									#16
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I admite it isn't the most productive why to spend a Saturday afternoon but it's more entertaining then watching TV.

	21-09-2003 01:49									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus I know a great deal of magnificent movies made in Belgium your fine billion dollar movies can buttkiss with delight!

Leaving aside the scatological/physiological impossibility of one movie butt-kissing another (no butts, no lips), why don't you educate us? There is a fairly good video rental place near my office with a pretty big foreign section - give me a top 3 Belgian Film Festival titles list. Don't just roll your eyes at ignorance - toss a movie at it!

	21-09-2003 01:57									#18
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quote: Sigh. No doubt the effeminate, cowardly, British chaps will be getting crushed by the invincible German war machine, until the American good ol' boys show up to kick Nazi ass.

Aren't prejuding the film any, are we?

	21-09-2003 02:05									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Sigh. No doubt the effeminate, cowardly, British chaps will be getting crushed by the invincible German war machine, until the American good ol' boys show up to kick Nazi ass.

Leave out the cowardly, and that's pretty much what happened, isn't it?

Just accept the movie for what the waste of time it most probably will be, and move on.

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I wonder. Mel Gibson is releasing his epic about the life of Christ "Passion" around easter next year. Will the Christ character look down from the cross and with a thick accent announce "I'll be back!"? Nahhhh! Mel's way too devout to do that. Nahhh! Well, maybe. Nahhhhh!

No but there will be a butt shot of Christ in the movie.

	21-09-2003 02:09									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Hard to when you don't make any.

Here you go little redneckie you.

http://www.filmfestivalrotterdam.co.../film/4604.html

	21-09-2003 02:14									#22
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Actually both sides began running out of pilots by the approach of winter. American volunteers made up only a tiny fraction of the RAF in 1940. I believe that Polish, French, and Czech volunteers each offered a much larger contribution. The closest the RAF came to disaster was during the second phase of the German assault when the Germans started targetting airfields. There was a point at which the staff at some fields panicked and refused to fight. This condition didn't last long since the Germans shifted their focus away from the attack on the RAF fields too soon.

	21-09-2003 02:17									#23
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Germans would have won if they had not changed the plan at that point.

	21-09-2003 02:19									#24
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Which they did, only because some German planes accidentally bombed London. This made the RAF attempt their first ever bombing raid on Berlin. This in turn made Hitler so furious that he forced Göring to focus all bombing runs on targeting cities. Göring, all to eager to please his master, complied.

It is estimated that another two weeks of concentrated bombing against airfields would have seen the RAF defeated, and the road for an invasion of the U.K. open.

But of course that is all guesswork, as history would have it otherwise.

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quote: Aren't prejuding the film any, are we?

The synopsis is riddled with laughable historical inaccuracies, what more do you want?

quote: Leave out the cowardly, and that's pretty much what happened, isn't it?

Maybe if the war is taken as a whole, but not for the Battle of Britain.

	21-09-2003 02:21									#26
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Here you go little redneckie you. http://www.filmfestivalrotterdam.co.../film/4604.html

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quote: The synopsis is riddled with laughable historical inaccuracies

Such as? Doc's explination seems to back the synopsis. Americans along with Poles and Czechs, etc. volunteered for the RAF.

	21-09-2003 02:24									#28
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Here you go little redneckie you. http://www.filmfestivalrotterdam.co.../film/4604.html

Sounds interesting. Unfortunately it's only subtitled in dutch, and probably isn't offered here in the US.

I am however disconsolate to hear that you still have "underclasses" in Europe. You should try to avoid having them as they're very demoralizing. Maybe one reason that American films are so popular in Europe and around the world is that American films rarely insult the "underclass". You'd be amazed at how many working people really get their hackles up at being portrayed as a "underclass".

Hey! That would make a pretty good cartoon: "Underclass"

"There's no need to fear! Underclass is here!"

	21-09-2003 02:26									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Germans would have won if they had not changed the plan at that point.

That's like saying that the Germans would have won if their leadership hadn't been so psycho. If their leadership hadn't been so psycho there wouldn't have been a war.

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Well, their leadership was actually quite brilliant, so brilliant to the point I don't think there has ever been another group of leaders ever assembled that has had so much talent. I'm talking about generals, who were light years ahead of everybody else. Hitler on the other hand is another story.