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Canada where else...
Sep 2000
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Posted: September 20, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Art Moore
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Amazon.com is selling subscriptions to the North American Man/Boy Love Association's official magazine, a periodical entered as evidence in a lawsuit involving the murder of a 10-year-old boy.
Customers who discovered the pro-pedophile group's NAMBLA Bulletin on the Internet retailer's site in the past few days expressed shock.
Cover from NAMBLA bulletin
"How can you even THINK of offering such sick garbage as this on your site?!! This needs to be removed!!" one reviewer wrote on the page where the periodical is sold.
A spokesman for Amazon.com, Bill Curry, told WorldNetDaily he did not know how long the magazine has been sold on the site.
"It was removed some time ago, and we're investigating how it got back up there," he said.
Curry said the NAMBLA Bulletin will be removed once again, but he was unable to specify when.
The quarterly periodical, which includes articles and letters defending and reporting the sexual experiences of NAMBLA members, is sold on the group's Germany-based website and through fringe outlets, such as a basement shop in Manhattan's East Village, known for its counter-culture titles.
A member describes the NAMBLA Bulletin as "a nice collection of photos of cute boys (practically on every page.)"
The publication figures prominently in a $200-million federal lawsuit alleging NAMBLA incites members to "rape male children" and "serves as a conduit for an underground network of pedophiles in the U.S." The group is being defended by the American Civil Liberties Union.
The suit was filed by the parents of Jeffrey Curley of East Cambridge, Mass., who was lured into a van by two NAMBLA members in 1997. The men attempted to rape the boy but he resisted. Christopher Jaynes, 25, and his homosexual lover, Salvatore Sicari, then smothered Curley to death with a gasoline-soaked rag and raped his corpse.
The NAMBLA Bulletin was mentioned in Jaynes' diary, discovered by police.
Finding NAMBLA, Jaynes wrote, "was a turning point in discovery of myself."
"NAMBLA's Bulletin helped me to become aware of my own sexuality and acceptance of it," he said.
A statement from the bulletin, as printed in the lawsuit, says, "Call it love, call it lust, call it whatever you want. We desire sex with boys, and boys, whether society is willing to admit it, desire sex with us."
The Curleys' lawsuit alleges after Jaynes joined NAMBLA in 1996, he "became obsessed with having sex with and raping young male children."
"As a result of reading a NAMBLA bulletin, he came to cope with his feelings and his desires, and then he came to realize it's OK to rape little boys, and that's what he went and did," said Lawrence Frisoli, attorney for the Curleys.
Evidence introduced in court included a NAMBLA publication found in Jaynes' vehicle titled "The Survival Manual: The Man's Guide to Staying Safe in Man/Boy Sexual Relationships."
Police also discovered a manual published by NAMBLA called "Rape and Escape," described by the plaintiffs as an explicit guide to luring children and then avoiding prosecution.
Shortly before the murder, Jaynes visited NAMBLA's website from a Boston public library, according to testimony.
Jaynes was convicted of second-degree murder and kidnapping, with the possibility of parole in 15 years. Sicari is serving a life sentence for first-degree murder, with no possibility for parole.
A federal judge recently decided the Curleys' lawsuit can go forward with a trial and also ruled against the ACLU, which wanted to impose a gag order on the case.
The ACLU, defending NAMBLA, argues the lawsuit is the same as if someone was killed due to the permissive attitude of sex, drugs and rock music, and then sued Rolling Stone magazine for creating a climate in which the murder was possible.
Familiar territory
Amazon is familiar with controversy surrounding NAMBLA publications.
In 1999, in response to an organized protest, the company dropped a book published by NAMBLA called "Varieties of Man/Boy Love." However, it continues to sell a similar title, "Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers," by David L. Riegel, a retiree who operates a chat forum for pedophiles.
Amazon.com sells "boy lovers" book.
Amazon has stated it does not endorse "Understanding Boys and Boylovers," but insists "people have the right to choose their own reading material."
The bookseller says, "Our goal is to support freedom of expression and to provide customers with the broadest selection possible so they can find, discover, and buy any title they might be seeking."
Nevertheless, Amazon decided to drop "Varieties of Man/Boy Love," pointing out it had an image on the cover that bordered on "kiddie porn." The bookseller argued further that Riegel's book, in contrast, is not a "how to."
Amazon's Curry said the problem with the NAMBLA Bulletin is periodicals cannot be reviewed like books.
"We don't know what's going to be in every issue," he explained.
Last month, a WorldNetDaily inquiry into Wal-Mart's sale of NAMBLA's "Varieties of Man/Boy Love," on its website prompted the retail giant to drop the title and others of a similar nature. WalMart.com spokeswoman Cynthia Lin said the book slipped through the company's screening process, noting it sells more than 500,000 books.
As WorldNetDaily reported one year ago, Riegel's book says men who become involved in sexual relationships with boys "are sincere, concerned, loving human beings who simply have – and were probably born with – a sexual orientation that is neither understood nor accepted by most others."
Last month, a British child protection advocate expressed anger about the book's potential impact.
Liz Atkins, of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, dismissed Amazon's arguments, asserting "sexual relationships between an adult and children must never be viewed positively."
"We know that sex offenders often look to justify their behavior, and any book that seeks to minimize the distressing and long term impact on children is unacceptable," she said, according to news reports.
'Dedicated to child molestation'
Customer reviewers on Amazon.com called the NAMBLA Bulletin "one of the most foul documents ever printed … dedicated to child MOLESTATION AND ABUSE."
"Shame on you Amazon for selling this perverse horror story," the reviewer wrote. "Your company needs to be legally prosecuted for selling this filth."
Law-enforcement agencies say they cannot do much about "written words," emphasizing they deal mostly with trafficking in child pornography. The FBI and local agencies have been trying for years to find NAMBLA in violation of laws against the sexual exploitation of children, and a U.S. Senate committee concluded NAMBLA did not engage in criminal activity.
Another Amazon customer wrote: "I'll not shop here while this company continues to offer such a sick, demented product. I have a young son, and the fact that you provide a product that helps, aids and abets abuse and worse of kids like him sickens me."
NAMBLA's website includes selected articles from the Bulletin from the past 20 years.
One article, criticizing "contemporary sexual morality," argues for sexual relationships between teachers and students, noting how they were seen in a positive light in ancient Greek culture.
The Bulletin published a "letter from a 12-year-old" who commended NAMBLA as "true gay people."
"They understand that gayness starts at a young age, too," the writer said. "Love comes in all forms, so a relationship should not be deemed wrong unless it is provable that the sex act was unconsensual. I believe in a sexual revolution. To quote Che Guevera, 'The true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love.' Keep up the good work, NAMBLA!"
Related stories:
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Amazon defends sale of pedophile book
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Amazon offers pedophile handbook
Pedophile advocate featured at university
'Nothing new' in book condoning child sex
Art Moore is a news editor with WorldNetDaily.com.
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I can not figure why no one has taken this group out yet...
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Lincoln
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The group is being defended by the American Civil Liberties Union. |
Wow! I never thought they would support such a thing! I guess they are concerned about the rights of boys or something.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
They are. They are concerned that no one will take away boys' rights to free speech. |
Or the right to be seduced by some pervert.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Even the devil may quote scripture. |
Wow! Cool! Do you have personal experience in this matter? If you answer yes, was the encounter in Jacksonville or Chicago?
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by blackice
[q]Posted: September 20, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
The suit was filed by the parents of Jeffrey Curley of East Cambridge, Mass., who was lured into a van by two NAMBLA members in 1997. The men attempted to rape the boy but he resisted. Christopher Jaynes, 25, and his homosexual lover, Salvatore Sicari, then smothered Curley to death with a gasoline-soaked rag and raped his corpse.
Jaynes was convicted of second-degree murder and kidnapping, with the possibility of parole in 15 years. Sicari is serving a life sentence for first-degree murder, with no possibility for parole.
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One of them got only a second degree muder conviction? How was that justified? quote:
The ACLU, defending NAMBLA, argues the lawsuit is the same as if someone was killed due to the permissive attitude of sex, drugs and rock music, and then sued Rolling Stone magazine for creating a climate in which the murder was possible.
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The connection between Rolling Stones advocating sexual promiscuity and someone, like say Charles Manson, raping and murdering would be much less solid since I'm sure that Rolling Stones doesn't advocate forced sex. It sounds like this case could use the same sort of arguement that was used to sue a Klan chapter after some of its members killed a black man by dragging him behind their truck. The suit cited the Klan for encouraging members to kill black people. According to what is written in this article NAMBLA even advocates rape, which by definition is forced sex.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I'm not at liberty to say. |
Of course not. Liberty U. is up here in Lynchburg, not down there in Jacksionville. I know some people on the staff though, and they might be interested in arranging for you to come up and speak out about your struggles with the devil.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by skywalker
While they shouldn't be forbidden from doing it, it was an immensely stupid move for Amazon to offer the magazine for sale. |
The heck they shouldn't be forbidden from offering this stuff!! Would magazines offering helpful hints on serial murder be permitted? There are certain subjects that really ought to be outside the protection of the idea of free speech.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Another thing to keep in mind is that NAMBLA has been more or less defunct, by all appearances, for several years. According to Snopes, their website has not been updated in several years, and the group has not been noticeably active.
It's still useful as a red herring, often, but it otherwise seems to be more bogeyman than anything else. |
It's still up isn't it? Someone must be paying to keep the website up even if they're not updating. Also someon must be publishing their nasty little books. The people to sue should be whomever is paying for the NAMBLA website and whomever is printing their books.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
And consequently have the lawsuit thrown out. As much as we dislike it, it is legal. |
Ahhhhh....but someone can sue can't they? Once again I'll cite the case in which the relatives of a black man murdered by being dragged through the streets successfully sued a local Klan chapter for encouraging the men who committed the crime.
Advocating pedophilia under any circumstances is advocating rape, a violent crime. Children are not capable of giving consent, so even if a child acquiesed to a sexual act it's still rape. There is no such thing as a non-violent act of pedophilia.
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Dr Strangelove
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They give advice to people on "how to" become pedophiles, so yes, they're inciting people to break the law. Wasn't that clear from the article reproduced in the first post on this thread? Have I actually seen their website? Are you nuts? If I were law enforcement I'd be taking the IP addresses of everyone who visited that site!
There are certain acts so against any standard of human morality that their advocacy can not be tolerated and ought not to be protected, but instead prosecuted. Child molesting is one of them.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by skywalker
ADVOCACY cannot be illegal, because then you CANNOT CHANGE THE LAW! We can't make "distinctions" about which laws you can advocate violating and which you can't. |
Sure we can. For instance, try advocating the assasination of judges or other public officials and see how long you remain a free man. ( Taking into consideration whether or not the right people notice you and take you seriously. )
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