21-09-2003 23:19									#1
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Ever wondered?

Will it be for the better or for the worse? What do you think about now? compared to our past, has our morality degenerated or refined?

	21-09-2003 23:24									#2
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I don't want to know, personally.

	21-09-2003 23:24									#3
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Your name says it all.

	21-09-2003 23:26									#4
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pot will be legal in the US, and the kids will move on to other stuff

	21-09-2003 23:28									#5
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Well, they'll almost certainly different. Personally, I don't think moral standards are all that bad right now. Of course, I disagree with a lot of them, but I think we have the basics down. I'm thinking this thread should produce some mildly amusing answers, since the current generation always seems to think that the next one is morally degenerate.

	21-09-2003 23:31									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Zero Ever wondered? Will it be for the better or for the worse? What do you think about now? compared to our past, has our morality degenerated or refined?

Do you mean for humanity as a whole or only from the western POV?

	21-09-2003 23:33									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Kirnwaffen Well, they'll almost certainly different. Personally, I don't think moral standards are all that bad right now. Of course, I disagree with a lot of them, but I think we have the basics down. I'm thinking this thread should produce some mildly amusing answers, since the current generation always seems to think that the next one is morally degenerate.

Exactly! I dont disagree with them, but now we have slavery outlawed, racism issue is taken more seriously etc... Im wondering whether we made a general leap foward or backward on moral improvement of society.

	21-09-2003 23:34									#8
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Do you mean for humanity as a whole or only from the western POV?

Good Q. I dont know. answer it however you'd like.

	21-09-2003 23:34									#9
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My first reaction was: "Ask yourself what a person 100 years ago would think of our moral standards."

But then I rememebred that moral values often change in a cyclical rather than a linear way. The sexual morality in the 1600's was about as bad as the worst excesses today, before the syphilis epidemic turned people into Calvinists and Puritans.

Something similar might happen due to AIDS and other STD's, if more moral people live longer and have a better chance of passing on their genes and memes.

I do think there has been a dramatic improvement in many types of moral values. Back in the 50's, it was taken for granted that kids at school would abuse anyone who was different, or anyone they felt like picking on. I and most people I have talked to agree that kids nowadays are much less cruel than kids in the past. It is no longer acceptable to openly abuse people just because you can.

So I see, at least in the near term, a future that is less cruel but more permissive, with people more likely to indulge in self-destructive acts but being less likely to injure other people out of spite.

	22-09-2003 01:22									#10
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If we can use historical progression as any indicator, I think that we will be closer to a truly free and democratic society. There's always a struggle between social authoritarian religious people and those of us who enjoy freedom. Things are much better than they were 50 years ago... civil rights, gender equality, homosexual tolerance... that I think things will continue to improve. I think that in a decade or so, we will really see a move back towards religious freedom in this country (i.e. seperation of church and state) as my generation slowly gets into power.

	22-09-2003 02:25									#11
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worse of course

that is the general trend

	22-09-2003 02:55									#12
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the standards will be a lot weaker a lot more relativistic and a lot more pacifist. some good things might come though. unfortunately its a question of whether the future of humanity has the conviction to demand and sacrifice for it.

things like true freedom of information and a transparent government.

	22-09-2003 02:58									#13
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I disagree that we will be more pacifist. Yes, this would be nice, but I don't see it happening.

It seems when americans aren't turning their violent tendencies towards foreign nations, they kill each other. Gang violence, domestic crime. You name it. And we are so much more "civilized" than were were in the wild west in the 19th century.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I disagree that we will be more pacifist. Yes, this would be nice, but I don't see it happening. It seems when americans aren't turning their violent tendencies towards foreign nations, they kill each other. Gang violence, domestic crime. You name it. And we are so much more "civilized" than were were in the wild west in the 19th century.

there will still be violence. and yes we are. its hard to imagine seeing a violent act that it could have ever been worse. but it has been. once we loose religion from its grip that only leaves nationalism. and even that is being threataned. its harder to goto war w/ a democracy(just look how big a deal removing a complete psychopathic tyrrant was). Bush used nationalism. but that tool may not be around forever.

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I think if ur like 60 years old ans you were watching VH1's 100 most shocking rock moements, you'd also agree that moreality is at a decline.

	22-09-2003 03:07									#16
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	22-09-2003 03:23									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident worse of course that is the general trend

What makes you think that?

	22-09-2003 04:49									#18
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Old people will listen to death metal and gangsta rap, and their grandkids will rebel by listening to classical....
but seriously.
I think religion will continue its decline...
People will be a lot more pragmatic when it comes to bioethics issues.

	22-09-2003 05:18									#19
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Actually I expect a moral rebound. Some of you have 'morals' confused with the statist equivelant, 'laws' Laws may well be loosened more adnd more, and after a few decades of absolute decadence I think that Morals will rebound despite the fact that everything is going downhill right now.

As Paul said to the Corinthians, everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. This is wher we should strive to be as a society, with as few laws as possible but with a moral standard imposed not by society but by ourselves, as individuals. As those with unhealthy and generally considered 'immoral' lifestyles purge our society of themselves through diseases (like STD's and needle sharing diseases) I think we will come to realise that perhaps we are better off without them and we will proceed to take up a moral lifestyle.

:lmao: :jk: :lmao:

Alright, for real? I see foreign policy slowly creeping in on our freedoms in America, while Economic freedoms have alreaady been restricted in other nations, such as France whose economy struggles against statism. And Britain and Germany whose governments provide far more than the social contract asks them to and who therefore take far more from the population. The world is becoming complacent to have their affairs governed by others and so I see us declining again. I see, in the distant future, a new dark ages rising (Though this can all be averted, anything can be averted.) , I see morality on a decline, though it is possible that a new generation could bring with it a new Great Awakening, a new flurry of religios ainfluence, barring that we are on the decline and headed for damnation.

	22-09-2003 07:09									#20
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As Bruns says, this is all cyclical. The Victorians were scandalized by the conduct of their grandparents. The GenXers have by and large rejected the counterculture. It goes round and round.

	22-09-2003 07:20									#21
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Could be better, could be worse. No way to tell really.

	22-09-2003 07:29									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Dracon II ...I think religion will continue its decline... People will be a lot more pragmatic when it comes to bioethics issues.

I have to agree. And Dracon brings up a valid point - Religion as declined and is continuing to decline.

Even though I'm gay (and a prior alter boy who attended a Catholic school), and by the Roman Catholic church, will burn in hell for it, I say PLEASE, how can one be condemned to eternal damnation by something like sexual perference?

But I digress.

The point I wanted to make is this: Take a look at the Bible, I mean, miracles were being performed left, right, and center! Back then, there were so many miracles happening that you couldn't shake a stick at them without hitting one or two...you would have been blind not to recognise that there was a "higher being" looking out for us...but what about today? Where is God?

I'm just saying that it makes one wonder....

	22-09-2003 07:31									#23
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Religion is not declining in the United States. Religious observance and service attendence is at an all time high. Almost half of all Americans believe that angels are personally watching over them.

	22-09-2003 07:43									#24
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I disagree. religious attendence is in no way at an all time high.

I won't disagree about the angels bit. Americans believe in psuedo-religious crap more than they believe in actual religion.

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You also have to consider that 100 years from now Europe will have an Islamic majority. Though currently it appears that people from Islamic countries assimilate into the general European culture, once the Muslim population in Europe reaches a critical point they will demand their share of political power and their old culture will begin to reawaken. Once they reach a majority they will inflict Shariah law upon the whole continent. Recreational drug use and alcoholism will not be tolerated. Abortion and homosexuality will be banned. Women's liberation will become a thing of the past.

The US on the other hand will become a Hispanic nation. There culture will be dominated by a sort of fusion of evangelical Protestantism and conservative Roman Catholicisim. Recreational drug use and alcoholism will not be tolerated. Abortion and homosexuality will be banned.

Y'all are thinkin' that I'm just foolin' around aren't you. More important, y'all are hopin' that it's just lil' ol' me foolin' around.

	22-09-2003 07:59									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove You also have to consider that 100 years from now Europe will have an Islamic majority. Though currently it appears that people from Islamic countries assimilate into the general European culture, once the Muslim population in Europe reaches a critical point they will demand their share of political power and their old culture will begin to reawaken. Once they reach a majority they will inflict Shariah law upon the whole continent. Recreational drug use and alcoholism will not be tolerated. Abortion and homosexuality will be banned. Women's liberation will become a thing of the past. The US on the other hand will become a Hispanic nation. There culture will be dominated by a sort of fusion of evangelical Protestantism and conservative Roman Catholicisim. Recreational drug use and alcoholism will not be tolerated. Abortion and homosexuality will be banned. Y'all are thinkin' that I'm just foolin' around aren't you. More important, y'all are hopin' that it's just lil' ol' me foolin' around.

fantastic insight into the future. Just how do you do it?

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Religion is not declining in the United States. Religious observance and service attendence is at an all time high. Almost half of all Americans believe that angels are personally watching over them.

The angels are there, to protect us from whatever diabolical, revolutionary plan you have in mind.

	22-09-2003 09:03									#28
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quote: if more moral people live longer and have a better chance of passing on their genes and memes.

Unfortunately, morality ain't hereditary.

I like the parallel you draw, but I think that if people watch friends waste away from Syphilis, that they will act the same way as people who have been personally affected by AIDS.

	22-09-2003 09:08									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I disagree. religious attendence is in no way at an all time high.

In the mid ninties, 65% percent of Americans reported as attending regular church services. That's the highest level ever reported in our history.

	22-09-2003 09:09									#30
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I can't help but feel that things are getting worse.