22-09-2003 05:26									#1
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Las Cruces School Sued Over Art Sculpture On Campus Contains Three Crosses



LAS CRUCES, N.M. -- Two men are suing the Las Cruces Public School District over a sculpture at a sports complex that includes three crosses.

Jesse Chavez and Paul Weinbaum are founding members of the southern New Mexico chapter of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Their federal lawsuit alleges the artwork violates a constitutional ban on government endorsement of religion.

The $21,000 steel sculpture is the work of Las Cruces artist Ruth Bird.

It has an eight-foot-wide metal circle enclosing three crosses that stand for unity, strength and excellence.

The sculpture was funded by New Mexico's One Percent for Art Program, and is on display outside the Las Cruces Public Schools Sports Activities Complex.






Maybe the city should change it's name as well?

	22-09-2003 07:09									#2
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WTF? Those don't even look like a Christian Cricifix, I am an athiest and I usually support these guys but this is rediculous.

	22-09-2003 07:18									#3
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I think that this is a case of them going to far. After all, the name of the town is The Crosses.

	22-09-2003 07:40									#4
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I don't see any crosses

	22-09-2003 09:22									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln The $21,000 steel sculpture is the work of Las Cruces artist Ruth Bird. It has an eight-foot-wide metal circle enclosing three crosses that stand for unity, strength and excellence.

Why were crosses used, and why did it cost $21,000?

	22-09-2003 09:23									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Why were crosses used, and why did it cost $21,000?

Because it's the name of the city. Las Cruces is Spanish for The Crosses.

	22-09-2003 09:45									#7
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either you have seperation of church and state, or you don't... as miniscule and harmless as this may seem... it still is a violation... if it is a religious symbol... it really doesn't look like a christian cross to me, however.

	22-09-2003 09:45									#8
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Because it's the name of the city. Las Cruces is Spanish for The Crosses.

Indeed. Yet in the West the cross had come to symbolise Christianity. The city supporting people building crosses is not a good idea. I don't necessarily agree with the people bringing the law suit, but ye gawd, a lot of people are daft.

	22-09-2003 09:53									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Indeed. Yet in the West the cross had come to symbolise Christianity.

Would you suggest they change the name of the city?

	22-09-2003 10:01									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Indeed. Yet in the West the cross had come to symbolise Christianity. The city supporting people building crosses is not a good idea. I don't necessarily agree with the people bringing the law suit, but ye gawd, a lot of people are daft.

I guess we'll have to get rid of all those railroad crossing signs then. Not to mention map and GIS symbols.

	22-09-2003 10:06									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Sava either you have seperation of church and state, or you don't... as miniscule and harmless as this may seem... it still is a violation... if it is a religious symbol... it really doesn't look like a christian cross to me, however.

Under the First Amendment, you don't. You have a prohibition of establishment, not a blanket prohibition of any passing reference.

This is abstract enough, and in a limited enough context (unlike ol' Roy's 10 commandments ), that these clowns' suit won't have a prayer in court.

	22-09-2003 10:07									#12
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*sigh*

Aren't there laws about frivolous lawsuits?

	22-09-2003 10:10									#13
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Yes... Rule 11 of the Federal Rule of Civil Procedure .