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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by BigFree
Aidun, it's smart to gert troops on top of the mointain so that we can fortify them, then move workers so they can road, then move Cats there so they can do some damage. |
Yes, but if we move workers on that mountain to road it, it will take a lot of turns to do that. In the meanwhile ND and GoW have plenty of time to defeat our little army there.
What if GoW has catapults and they would move them into Salamanca to bombard us? Even though the chance of success may not be very large, there will be a moment that they succeed to damage our troops there, in other words, that they create an opportunity to attack. We can be sure that GoW or ND will use that opportunity.
I say: the risk of being defeated on that mountain is too great with such a small number of regiments (units).
Therefore my advise is:
Don't try to attack them without coordinating it with GS. We can only be succesful in a joint attack. If GS can't manage to show up south of Salamanca with a reasonable number of troops, planning an attack is ridiculous.
1) IF GS can manage to move some troops towards Salamanca so that we have together a reasonable force, ONLY THEN we might consider an attack.
2) IF we consider an attack because GS indicates that they have enough troops to join in an attack, please don't send but a few regiments "because we don't want to risk to loose a lot".
Those of you who have some experience in the army must have heard the term "deterrence strategy" at least once. It means that if you have a big army, others, even if they have a big army too, will not likely attack your army because they fear that it will result in a massacre.
If you only send a small amount of troops, the eventual losses would be quite small for the enemy and they will probably decide that it's "worth trying" to attack.
In other words: If we send a BIG (AT LEAST 12 units, but rather more) army
to that mountain, ND or GoW will not likely attack us, especially if they know of the presence of GS troops nearby.
However, since the war turned out in big losses for us, we decided to stay in Pamplona and await the attack. The attack did not come because both the Chinese and the Moors don't know the word bravery, only treachery.
In the meanwhile we developped the strategy to stay in Pamplona and wait for GS to free us.
Very well, but if we now want to change from a defensive to an offensive strategy, we have to completely change it and not just for a bit, otherwise "the food doesn't taste like meat nor like fish" as we use to say in the Netherlands: you won't get the benefits of one, nor of the other: you get the worst of both.
Soldier Aidun Cian of the Royal Spanish Army
Last edited by Aidun on 23-09-2003 at 18:02
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Nuclear Winter
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The coordination with GS is being a bit hard, they are almost never online; though I am doing my best to get them to a common turnchat. As for the mountain, I disagree, they won´t attack us right now, in my humble opinion. Catapults are slow and take a concentrated effort to utilize, so they probably don´t have many with them in the south. Even if they have, they won´t be able to know how many units we have in the mountain, and we have means to see them coming in case of a slow, catapult-supported strike.
Anyway it is great to have people talking about it here  .
Nuke
PS:. Ah yeah, about the food not tasting like food nor fish, I agree. That is why me and bigfree are organizing an attack in the heartland of GoW for soon, and we´re analysing the possibilities of striking isolated elements of GoW.
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Fibrizzo
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I agree with the idea of waiting on the mountains until we can strike "El Álamo" with maximum force.
One thing about attacking GoW territory: I like the idea because It could force them to switch to a defensive strategy and allow us to take control of the war, but I think that in our present situation we cannot afford to divide our weak army.
It could be done after Salamanca is retaken and GS is in position to defend the nearby mountains.
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Nuclear Winter
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Our idea is for more of a small-sized raid on GoW mainland, not a full scale offensive. Also, Aidun, I disagree that offensive and defensive strategies cannot be mixed.
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:31
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My Lord Winterius,
What troops do you think would be suitable for your plan? I suppose you have thought about that, otherwise it is wise to think about it and bring it up for discussion in this thread.
And second, can you bring up arguments why defensive and offensive strategy can be combined? I (and Lord Astronius too?) still have the opinion that it cannot be combined. Please convince me that I am wrong on this point and point out how you think of both continuing the defensive strategy we used until recently and the new offensive strategy, without having two weak strategies.
Soldier Libre and my Lord Winterius,
Lack of certain resources limits the amount of optional strategies and has consequenses for the kind of strategy that you intend to use: offensive or defensive, mobile or less mobile.
Infantry is less mobile and thus less suitable for a quick raiding operation, while knichts are faster, and can retreat and are thus quite suitable for a quick raiding operation.
Infantry is relatively cheap, compared to knights, so you can build twice of them in the same amount of time. If you want to attack a city, infantry is quite useful because you can send loads of them and can attack with enormous power and you don't need to aproach secretly because the enemy is already expecting you.
[ooc]These are but some basic strategic ideas of which I believe they apply to Civ3 too.[/ooc]
Soldier Aidun Cian of the Royal Spanish Army
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Nuclear Winter
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The original plan , as you all know, is to build a road and bring cats to that mountain.
And Aidun, yes, I´ve tought about what forces are we using in this raid, it will be a seaborne raid conducted by pikemen who are already moving toward their location (mariner pikes is not just a name that was chosen at random). The info our boats provided clearly shows that the GoW has let their coast open and undefended, and we plan on aproaching that area and puting our soldiers within operational range from GoW territory. AS said, it is not an offensive mission. And also, the knightsw are being kept for homeland security purposes , leaving no gap at all.
We are also thinking about further expanding our operational capacities in the area next to Pamplona, and that stack fits this purpose well, giving us the possibility to withdraw if this is the case.
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Nuclear Winter
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It won´t make them retreat all their divisions, surely not, but it will divert their attention, at least. Also, it shall divert production to cheaper units and this kind of thing, and hopefully we´ll be able to destroy some land improvements in the process, diminishing their production capacities. Also , from the cease-fire pleads they have sent us we can presume they are needing some time to recover strenght, and this plan takes advantages from this fact, pressing them when they are tired.
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What scared em was the massive amount of cavalry looking 1 from Alamo: 8 ND´s cavalry units: 2 being elite and the rest (6 ) veterans, + 4 pikemen, all veterans too.
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