23-09-2003 02:50									#1
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I posted this thread in the Spanish Site Forum first, but it seems that our beloved forum has been invaded by Civ3 fans

Any Civ2 fans know that Jesús Balsinde (aka Jay Bee, our beloved Spanish Forum mod) created a scenario that would be a Latin American version of his "Spanish Pride, Iberian Pride": Seven Latin American civilizations starting just like in a normal Civ2 game but in a Latin American map, from Southern USA states to Patagonia.

The scenario was finished loooong time ago (~2000), but Jay Bee became lazy and never released it. We even did a PBEM playtest (still at play) to test its multiplayer capabilities.

Any months ago, Jay Bee asked me to finish the scenario and release it. I couldn't at that time, but I never forgot about it and now it's time to release it!

I've changed as less as possible, not only because I am a lazy b*stard (as El Awrence once said) but because I don't want to spoil the scenario. Just added any sounds, changed any leaders (updated in fact, they are the current leaders), wrote the Civilopedia text for the Wonders of the World and the readme.txt

The Scenario is Available at The Spanish Civilization Site, of course.

Thank you Jesús for allowing me to spoil your scenario

THE PLAYERS:

-Argentinians (Néstor Kirchner)
-Colombians (Álvaro Uribe)
-Peruvians (Alejandro Toledo)
-Mexicans (Vicente Fox)
-Brazilians ("Lula" da Silva)
-Cubans (Fidel Castro)
-Americans aka Gringos (Jorge Caminante Arbusto)

EDIT: Typo with "Colombians"

Last edited by jasev on 23-09-2003 at 21:56

	23-09-2003 02:59									#2
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Superb!

Downloading right now!

	23-09-2003 03:06									#3
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Don't expect graphic marvels, curtsibling. Consider that it is an old scenario. But of course, we're always open to suggestions...

	23-09-2003 03:08									#4
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Who is "Jorge Caminante Arbusto" commanding the Yankees?


George something?

	23-09-2003 03:13									#5
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You're right, "Jorge" is the spanish form for "George".
"Caminante" means "Walker" in spanish.
I hope you'll be able to guess what "Arbusto" means (otherwise, try with babylon.com)

	23-09-2003 03:15									#6
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Aha!

	23-09-2003 03:15									#7
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Edit: damn! too late.

	23-09-2003 03:19									#8
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The scen is worth enough a play, guys. I believe that the easiest civs to start with are probably Argentina and Mexico, and Cuba is the most difficult one

	23-09-2003 03:24									#9
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Mexico has a good starting position but... "Poor Mexico, so far from god and so near from the United States" (Porfirio Díaz, president of Mexico)

The gringos are the bad guys in this scenario. They don't negotiate (when computer controlled), just crush all opposition. And Mexico is in their way...


mmm... maybe I should make Gringos stronger... another city at the beginning or so

	23-09-2003 04:13									#10
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I am playing as the Americans...Good fun!

I used my diplo to grab two barb imperialist rifle dudes, and my conquest has begun!

Next is Tijuana!

	23-09-2003 05:13									#11
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Little Aesthetic Nitpick: "Columbia/ns" should be "Colombia/ns". That's the official name even in English (check your atlas/dictionary/almanac), despite the repeated attempts by a random number of ill informed people to make it otherwise (kinda like "old habits die hard", I guess).

	23-09-2003 07:00									#12
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Indeed. Colombia is Colombia. Not Columbia.

	23-09-2003 12:56									#13
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OK, I'll correct it soon.

	23-09-2003 21:21									#14
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On the download page, the image link links to celtiber.zip, not bolivar.zip. I mistakenly downloaded the wrong scenario :\

	23-09-2003 21:44									#15
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Thank you rmsharpe, I'll correct it ASAP

EDIT: Corrected.

Last edited by jasev on 23-09-2003 at 21:50

	24-09-2003 14:52									#16
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Thank you rmsharpe, I'll correct it ASAP

EDIT: Corrected.
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	24-09-2003 16:12									#17
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quote: Originally posted by ottok Thank you rmsharpe, I'll correct it ASAP EDIT: Corrected. ?????????

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	24-09-2003 16:47									#18
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Ottok, do you really think you are funny? Just wondered.

	24-09-2003 18:51									#19
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I think what he means is he was asking what was corrected.

	24-09-2003 19:08									#20
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What i never understood is how this ottok can well read english posts but he seemingly can't write in english.

	24-09-2003 19:43									#21
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Seriously, it was a joy to see him back, but somehow this has become annoying.

	24-09-2003 20:53									#22
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quote: I think what he means is he was asking what was corrected.

Does it really require an explanation?

When rmsharpe wrote about the wrong link at the download page, I answered writing I would correct it as soon as possible. Six minutes later, as I had been able to correct it, I edited my post to inform about it ("EDIT: Corrected")

	24-09-2003 22:20									#23
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You can always count on the ignorance of some people.

	24-09-2003 22:45									#24
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finally released?
I've always wondered why he never wanted to release it

	24-09-2003 22:48									#25
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quote: I've always wondered why he never wanted to release it

Because he has become lazyer than myself

	25-09-2003 01:55									#26
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Downloading...

	25-09-2003 15:59									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos What i never understood is how this ottok can well read english posts but he seemingly can't write in english.

REASON ONE: I STUDID my english when i read a CIVILIZATION I manual...

REASON TWO: SUOMIPOIKA

	25-09-2003 16:18									#28
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I love Poly's intenational flavour!

	25-09-2003 19:25									#29
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I always see the map before I start. Not because I want to cheat by seeing where should I go, but because I like maps. I like making them, I like seeing them, I like'em. I use cheat mode usually. And now I can't. I'll have to either change settings or load it by map editor. Bueh. Waste of time. If someone wishes to open cheat mode, He will.
I do not use cheat mode while playing scenarios, except for my own.

	25-09-2003 19:56									#30
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Why can't you use the cheat mode?