23-09-2003 04:53									#1
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I thought United should have won, what with the penalty and all. But what shocked me more was the way Arsenal's players behaved after the final whistle - hassling Ruud van Nistelrooy.

This is already after Patrick Vieira was sent off for kicking at him, and Martin Keown came and shouted in his ear after he missed the penalty.

With Arsenal's appalling disciplinary record and its players' violent behavior, it's a wonder more people don't hate them.

	23-09-2003 05:10									#2
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More will come of the post-final whistle goings on, methinks. Very ordinary efforts from a lot of people in the lead up to it, too, I thought, including the ref.

	23-09-2003 05:15									#3
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quote: This is already after Patrick Vieira was sent off for kicking at him, and Martin Keown came and shouted in his ear after he missed the penalty.

Replays showed van Nistelrooy made it appear as though Viera had kicked him, though Viera indeed had not. Van Nistelrooy should have been booked making it appear Viera had retaliated when he indeed had not. Very ordinary refereeing, though it was not clear from his angle, replays were damning

	23-09-2003 08:21									#4
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It also appeared from the replays that van Nistelrooy pushed with his thighs against Viera's neck, throwing him to the ground.

	23-09-2003 12:16									#5
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I didnt see it but when I drove past the pub they had a sign up 'Man vs Arse 4.05'. Cracked me up

	23-09-2003 13:26									#6
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The suggestion on the radio is that "five Arsenal players, plus Gary Neville" are likely to be cited and possibly suspended.

Keown is an animal.

	23-09-2003 14:01									#7
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Certain Arsenal palyers are nothing but a bunch of thugs. Keown is getting worse with age.

Their behaviour towards RVN after the penalty and final whistle was absolutely disgraceful. Keown took a flying leap at RVN and punched him in the back of the head for god's sake!

Frankly I'm amazed that RVN didn't turn round and punch his lights out - I certainly would have done if anyone did that to me.

And IMHO Vieira deserved to be given a second yellow card for kicking out - whether he actually made contact is rather irrelevant. RVN probably deserved a yellow too since it was a clear foul on Vieira.

	23-09-2003 14:17									#8
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What a rubbish game. Barely a chance in the match.

I agreed with Viera's sending off. Thought Ruud should have had 2 yellows. First for the initial foul and a second for "simulation".

	23-09-2003 14:24									#9
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You'd jump out of the way too if Viera swung his leg at you.

	23-09-2003 14:40									#10
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It was not a good game. Arsenal still keept some of the bad performace from the Inter match. The big difference that they where a lot more careful on the flanks. Even if Christiano Ronaldo (as the replacement for Beckham and only 18 years old, it will probably turn out to have been a great deal for Man U) and also to some degree Giggs made some fine moves, it never turned out to be as dangerous as when Inter was on the attack. Made it into what it was.

As for Ruud, he's a boring pansy in my book. Not much better than Inzaghi. Still, kicking against another player like that is a yellow card.

I'd bet that man united wins this season also. At last they spent some off their money on a decent and young goalie to fill out the gap left by Peter Schmeichel, Barthez is just a clown. Also, they have consistency. Compared to most other teams a large share of the players have been at the club for years and/or have been signed at a young age or even as trainees.

	23-09-2003 14:55									#11
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To be honest, I'm baffled at why people think that RVN tried to pretend that Vieira had made contact with him. If that was his intention he would have dropped to the floor screaming and clutching his leg, just like they always do. He didn't however, he simply jumped out of the way as Vieira lashed out and then looked shocked at what had happened. Quite a sensible reaction, really.

	23-09-2003 15:00									#12
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Yeah but ManU would be ****ed if he was suspended.

	23-09-2003 15:03									#13
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I'm just waiting for Lauren, Cole, Keown to all get suspended for 3 games. With van Bronckhorst and Volz out on loan The Arse might find themselves a little short of defenders.

	23-09-2003 15:05									#14
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And the title goes to? Chelski!

	23-09-2003 15:07									#15
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Spurs!

	23-09-2003 15:07									#17
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Look on the bright side FP, it can only get better...

	23-09-2003 15:18									#18
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quote: Meanwhile, down in west London, Claudio Ranieri must have been rubbing his hands with glee. While the two great rivals of the last decade absorbed themselves in a self-destructive bore-draw, Chelsea were relaxing after the easiest of 5-0 wins. True, that thrashing was only of Premiership whipping-boys Wolves. But Chelsea's expensive stars have gelled far quicker than anyone dared think. The past weekend gave the clearest indications yet that the title race this season is no longer a two-horse affair.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foo...rem/3128512.stm

	23-09-2003 15:26									#19
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That article is wrong: the title race most certainly is a two-horse affair.

United and Chelsea.

	23-09-2003 15:29									#20
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Unfortunately it's all about who goes on a run in the last 15 games.

	23-09-2003 15:35									#21
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And it's almost always United.

	23-09-2003 15:39									#22
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Arse might find themselves a little short of defenders.

Maybe Tony Adams will make a comeback!

	23-09-2003 20:07									#23
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If I was a neutral, I would have find it all amusing. Very surprised Ruud didn't react.

If someone swings their leg (or fist) at you, you instinctively move out of the way for fekk's sake.

	23-09-2003 20:20									#24
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As far as I'm concerned, Vieira deserved a red card for the kick aimed at Van Nistelrooy, not a second yellow. This isn't because I think he should have an even longer ban (his ban doesn't start until after Friday night so I don't care when he has it ), but because he should never have had a yellow card the first time round. I saw that as a fair challenge, and even if it was his thrid strong challenge then you can't book someone for nearly fouling people, no matter how many times it happens. Vieira deserved a straight red despite Van Nistelrooy's theatrics, for which he was deservedly booked. You're supposed to be sent off for raising your arms at opposition players, and the same should apply to the legs. If you go to kick someone then you should be punished, whether or not you make contact. If you go in for a strong challenge and leave them on the floor after taking the ball then fine.
I'm not sure that Van Nistelrooy shouldn't have been sent off too, as I was sure that the rules called for players asking for others to be sent off to be dismissed, but given the number of players surrounding refs waving imaginary cards then that can no longer be part of the rules. Shame though - it's far worse than making no attempt to play a slow-moving ball and instead shielding it out of touch, which also annoys the hell out of me.

	23-09-2003 20:25									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue If I was a neutral, I would have find it all amusing. Very surprised Ruud didn't react. If someone swings their leg (or fist) at you, you instinctively move out of the way for fekk's sake.

Agreed. But he didn't exactly go out of his way to tell the ref he hadn't been hit. But either way Viera should been off for attempting the kick and RVN yellowed for the initial foul

BTW Bodds, do you think the player Fergie was referring to before the match regarding foreigners diving was RVN? I can't think of anyone else at ManU with that reputation?

	23-09-2003 20:28									#26
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Skill has nothing to do with it - it's a game of running into the box and falling over.

	23-09-2003 20:40									#27
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quote: I'm not sure that Van Nistelrooy shouldn't have been sent off too, as I was sure that the rules called for players asking for others to be sent off to be dismissed

I must have missed the part where RVN tried to get Vieira sent off. But then again it was a bit hectic there for a while.

	23-09-2003 20:43									#28
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He gestured to the ref 'what are you going to do about that' with his open hands (yes, he has very expressive hands)
;O)

	23-09-2003 22:02									#29
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Van Nistelrooy is a notorious diver and whiner. I thought it was great when the Arsenal players pushed him around - I've long wanted to do that myself. If only they'd punched him.

Anyway, what are the Manure boys complaining about, they've got Roy Keane on their team, a man who's publicly stated that he wants to "get" Alan Shearer and Gary Speed before he retires. Too bad that Shearer would hand him his ass.

More fighting is needed.

Man, I've been watching too much hockey.......

	24-09-2003 03:48									#30
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So it's okay when Martin Keown acts like a stupid thug, but not when Roy Keane does?