25-09-2003 05:26									#1
	Wow... I just started my first "new game" in how long? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Between AU, MZOBC, the DGs, and what not... I realized I hadn't started a random new game, just for fun, in... 6 months, maybe?

Gotta try Sipahi, so:

(I forgot how much fun just picking settings is! )

Emperor, random opponents, standard, warm, wet, 3B, continents with min water, restless. All vic conditions.

This will be my "f*ck around game" while we play AUSG101. BTW, do we want to also play a regular AU game any time soon?

Wish me luck!!! (like it's really needed with IND and friggin' 8a Cavs ).

	25-09-2003 05:37									#2
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Theseus , you really can try some deity game , trust me , you can beat it .

	25-09-2003 06:04									#3
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fanes7, I do not see your posts.

	25-09-2003 06:11									#4
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Friggin' map generator!!!

My capitol, Istanbul, is on the hill 47 from the incense in the eastern peninsula...

And I just traded for The Wheel.

This is like an AU game alexman or Dominae would dream up!! Zulus to the west, and Persians to the northwest... gimme a break!

[sidenote: I've got camps built at Istanbul 63 and 99... and excellent way to put roads on hills, even when IND]

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	25-09-2003 06:55									#5
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OMG! What an interesting map that would be if Mountains were Impassable!

(That's the only way I play now. I don't know what I'll do with C3C!)

	25-09-2003 10:33									#6
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Can you secure the chokepoints?

It does look like an interesting map. Have fun!


Dominae

	25-09-2003 16:13									#7
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Nice map you have there!
Lots of room to expand in your backyard, maybe a camp at 44 from Istanbul along with a couple of warriors to secure it? And a city between the gems and incense, if you can hold it?

How did you manage to explore such a large part of the map in only a couple more than 40 turns? Ottomans are not expansionist, are they?

	25-09-2003 16:28									#8
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What is MZOBC?

	25-09-2003 16:31									#9
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	25-09-2003 16:38									#10
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@Thrar: SCI and IND... there's nothing to build right off!! So I built Warriors, 9 of'em.

Anybody notice what is MISSING??!!

	25-09-2003 16:47									#11
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Iron, I guess.

	25-09-2003 17:15									#12
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Nice start, I think. IIRC from my last Ottoman game, you start with Bornze Working, so get a city by the sea.

And it looks like you'll have a hard time putting people on horses, when there doesn't appear to be any around. It's a shame, really, I recently noticed Sipahis are much better against Infantry than plain Cavalry (or maybe it was just the rng).

	25-09-2003 17:19									#13
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No horsie for you! You come back, next game!

I too started a new game last night (stupidly, at 9:30... what the hell was I thinking? Oh, I'll just play for a 1/2 hour. Yeah). Rome again... I just like 'em. Wanted to investigate RCP some more (even though it's going bye-bye) with closer spacing than normal (for me). Ring #1 was at 3.5 tiles. Feels cramped. Is cramped. But it works.

Grog helped, though. Having the Pyramids by the time I had 4 cities was priceless. My map is rather "interesting" too. One small river in my domain. Some lakes, thank the RNG. Got a horsie, but no iron anywhere near my start. Only by fighting through 2 AIs have I gotten it. But now it's on. My attack stack is poised on the border with AI empire #3: 20 legionaries, 2 pikes, 1 2x archer army, 1 archer, ~6 horsemen.

The potential problem I see with the tight spacing is building the big medieval/industrial wonders. It's tough to get a monster production city when each town gets 8 or so land tiles to work.

-Arrian

	26-09-2003 06:53									#14
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I just found my first accessable horses...

28 TILES FROM ISTANBUL!!

	26-09-2003 07:45									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus I just found my first accessable horses... 28 TILES FROM ISTANBUL!!

Are you SURE Dominae didn't design your scenario?

	26-09-2003 07:59									#16
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If I had designed the scenario, I would have put mostly Plains in the southeastern portion of the continent. Notice how the fresh water is conveniently unacessible in that area!? Heh-heh.

Seriously, though: I hope my reputation does not precede me in this. If players do not participate in AU due to fear my maps, I'll never get to design another scenario again!


Dominae

	26-09-2003 08:03									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae If I had designed the scenario, I would have put mostly Plains in the southeastern portion of the continent. Notice how the fresh water is conveniently unacessible in that area!? Heh-heh. Seriously, though: I hope my reputation does not precede me in this. If players do not participate in AU due to fear my maps, I'll never get to design another scenario again! Dominae

We like your maps Dom, they're just sometimes evil. I think it will be a while before I can design "evil" scenarios.

BTW, I'm currently replaying AU209 with a slight change of tactics (still on emperor, but correcting the error I made the first time in letting the Ottoman's live) and this time I'm doing much better. Once I'm sure I'm close to winning I'll post about it. I hate posting a few DARs and then losing the game like in my first try.

	26-09-2003 12:28									#18
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Theseus,
Do you mind posting your 4000BC save on my thread 'Emperor games: how to improve your skills' and join us for some discussion about startegies and tactics?

It just happens that I finished my latest Emperor game yesterday (Scandinavia, but never build any Berserker!) and playing just 30 turns this week-end on AUSG seems a bit light...

	26-09-2003 20:15									#19
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quote: Originally posted by fanes7 Theseus , you really can try some deity game , trust me , you can beat it .

Many people have beat Deity, but do no enjoy play at that level. It is about having some fun for me. Since I have to often put up with abuse for the first two ages, I do not find it fun. Yes it is satisfying when you finally pull ahead, but Ihad to eat too much dirt.
I find Emp a better fit. I suspect that Theseus feel some what the same.

	26-09-2003 23:25									#20
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Many people have beat Deity, but do no enjoy play at that level. It is about having some fun for me. Since I have to often put up with abuse for the first two ages, I do not find it fun. Yes it is satisfying when you finally pull ahead, but Ihad to eat too much dirt. I find Emp a better fit. I suspect that Theseus feel some what the same.

Agreed! It is a different gaming experience.

	27-09-2003 00:33									#21
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Yep, I am an Emperor player just about all the time.

MS, I'll post the save tonight.

I've been thinking about this game all day... it might call for the mother of all Warrior to MedInf upgrades!! I'm thinking 50-60, or possibly even more.

	27-09-2003 00:45									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Yep, I am an Emperor player just about all the time. MS, I'll post the save tonight. I've been thinking about this game all day... it might call for the mother of all Warrior to MedInf upgrades!! I'm thinking 50-60, or possibly even more.

Yep me too! I haven't even TRIED deity yet since I only win on emperor about half the time (roughly).

Regarding your question the other day about starting another AU game while AUSG101 is going on it sounds good to me. AUSG101 is by design spread out. Another standard rule AU game can "fill in the gaps" so to speak. How about we hear from the rest of the AU world too. If Dominae or someone else does not want to design it I can try, but keep in mind I'm still not too great at scenario design yet (as evidenced by the ease of the start of AUSG101 )

But if I don't design it I need to finish beating my retry of AU209 first before playing it.

	27-09-2003 01:13									#23
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Theseus,

I played a game (Monarch, Zulu) where I upgraded something like 40 warriors straight to med infs. I was the Zulu, and due to an early settler, an early granary in Zimbabwe, and an early worker-grab-and-pillage-tiles-by-the-capitol hit on my nearest neighbor, my REX stage lasted into the middle ages. I also didn't have any horses (closest was at the far end of the continent, right next to somebody's capitol). I was first to feudalism My med infs rolled right over all opposition. It was a little silly. I still like horsies better, though.

-Arrian

	27-09-2003 01:18									#24
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Once I get a little farther into my retry of AU209 I'll post about my own TWO massive upgrades of warriors to med-infs. I generally prefer the horses to knights upgrade too, but it just wasn't workable in this game. For now, I'll just say Ottos and Carthage are toast and the only reason the Japanese aren't is they had too many samurai and musketeers by the time I finished with the other two. No Cossacks in this game so I'm just waiting for infantry and tanks to finish my continent steamrolling.

	27-09-2003 01:50									#25
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Hmmm... I guess I should start pre-building Leo's.

100 MedInf?

MWAHAHAHA!!!

	27-09-2003 01:53									#26
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Rhoth, start a new threat to get some ideas as to what the next AU course should be about. I've a few ideas of my own. I would like to play the game this time, so you might have to design the scenario. I'll PM you with some tips.


Dominae

	27-09-2003 02:02									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Hmmm... I guess I should start pre-building Leo's. 100 MedInf? MWAHAHAHA!!!

With Leo's it would be 30 gold per, right?

So that's 3000 gold, Theseus. I've spent close to that on horsie -> knight upgrades, but for slowmovers that upgrade to guerillas? Yikes. But ya gotta do whatcha gotta do.

No chance at a targetting strike? I know they're far away, but maybe with some galleys & swordsmen (or med infs)? Or are the horses deep in an AI civ's core?

-Arrian

	27-09-2003 06:04									#28
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Screw targeting strikes.... I am in the mood for an early Medieval Soviet response.

* Theseus imagines MedInfs goosestepping into Zululand and Persia. "Eeeeyes-right!! Saa-lute!!" I award myself the Hero of the Thesian Union.

Economy be damned!! Divert all gold to the military!!

(This is my screw-around game, after all. )

	30-09-2003 08:14									#29
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6 months? Hmm... I probably haven't played a game "for fun" in more than that (around jan/feb). Well I've probably started 1 or 2 but never gotten past the ancient age.

* Master Zen longs for the day he has nothing to do, sits in front of the PC at 10am and plays until 10pm...



(btw, Thesues, might want to check the ISDG...)

	01-10-2003 01:38									#30
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I start new games fairly often. I just don't finish them all.

I started one yesterday. Rome again. Started on a relatively small island. But, via a combination of excellent luck and knowing how huts work, I got TWO settlers from huts. I'm not sure that's happened to me since PTW came out. That really helped my early expansion.

Two other continents were within galley range, and one of them had room to spare. So I colonized part of it. I also got into several wars (2 of which I started, 1 I didn't), and was able to generate a few leaders, so my position is now excellent (FP down, relatively optimal, Leos & Sun Tzu rushed, Sistine built). The only problem with my lands near the FP is that it's all jungle, so cutting it down is rather slow going. My FP city and the one next to it are 2-turn worker pumps right now.

My GA, unfortunately, didn't do much for the FP area, because the cities down there were still quite small and choked with jungle.

Militaristic can be a real godsend on island maps, by the way. Half-price harbors are nothing to sneeze at when you need them to bring in more than 1 luxury (not to mention the iron I had to go find... I started with none).

-Arrian