25-09-2003 19:03									#1
	Official: CyCon builds the VirtualWorld (?) - What to do now? Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Ok, we got a little problem now.

Like said in the VW built by the CyCon thread, it is possible (even likely) that the most beneficial Secret Project left is now being finished by our hated enemies and first slaves beloved brothers of the Cybernetic Conciousness.

The question is, what shall we do now?

Kody has finished the preturn (all the planning for building queues, formers, crawlers, workers etc.) assuming that we build the Virtual World. If we lose that project, we have a whole bunch of minerals to be put into something else (with quite big losses) and all the planning to do again.

On the other hand, it might be a bluff, and the CyCon hasnīt that much of an industry to outbuild us. Then, if we changed to something else, we would have to start on the VW again, and then we would really lose it to another faction.

What do you think?

Last edited by Micha on 25-09-2003 at 19:12

	25-09-2003 19:06									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

John says:
hello

Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
hey john, how are you!
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
*?
John says:
okay
John says:
have you read the boards
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
not really
John says:
well googlie said something about the cycon building the VW
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
hm... I donīt tink they have it
John says:
why is that?
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
We had reasons to estimate their abilities to build sps, and there is no evidence that those reasons are outdated now. Also Googlie refuses to admit the completion heavily, and I donīt think he just does so to save his unbiasedness
John says:
6 turns is enough to get a fairly large crawler fleet
John says:
you know I was thinking if they had the right number of spare ECs available
John says:
they could rush build like mad
John says:
6 turns wasn't enough for us because we didn't have the ECs
John says:
but assuming they started with a nice nest egg...
John says:
they do have 8 industry
John says:
whereas we have 7
John says:
I mean the minerals per row
John says:
well admitedly I may be reading too heavily into Googlie's comments
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
I think so
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
well, the CyCon consists mostly of the politicians of the first DG, and we didnīt have that much crawlers back then.
Also, why should they get the VW? It would be much more fitting for the PUT.
John says:
well we figured they would go VW simply because it's better than the ME
John says:
there's only 2 SPs really left
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
If they had that much money, theyīd use it for better projects
John says:
VW and ME
John says:
so you reckon that the cycon aren't really that good players?
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
lol
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
well, not that dedicated, Iīd think
John says:
since they're all polticians
John says:
hrmmm
John says:
vote time?
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
Maniac was my mayor in the last DG, and he was more a former than a harvester
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
vote time.
John says:
I'm more a former guy than a harvester *shrug*
John says:
wanna do the vote
John says:
I'll post this turn chat
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
ok, what are the possibilities?
John says:
anyway I adapted after I read all about the crawlers in the help forum
Comrade Micha / Province 14 / Pits Of Pity says:
stay with VW, drones or...?
John says:
well the possibilities are... "CyCon built VW - replan turn (saves time with turn holding)"
John says:
"Cycon built VW - pre-organise tactics for the ME with the drones, and replan turn"
John says:
"Cycon didn't build the VW - we wait and see what happens next turn"
John says:
like I said if they have built it then we can't do anything really
John says:
it's now about how we organise our next SPs
John says:
you see the thing is if they have built the VW, I'll need hold the turn for an extra day
John says:
so I can redo all the build and move plans
John says:
not having the VW and having that base tied up for an extra turn changes things a fair bit in the long run
John says:
also I'll need to rechannel crawlers

	25-09-2003 19:15									#3
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I voted for "bluff! they donīt build it before us!".

Although replanning all the stuff would just be best, because we would then have two different plans:
1st - What to do if we build the VW
2nd- What to do if the CyCon builds it first and we need to redirect production.

So my vote should count as "replan" just with the addition "only for security reasons".

	25-09-2003 19:18									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

My understanding is we have already cashed in all of our crawlers, so when we get the turn, if CC had finished VW, then we'll get a prompt, then we could switch to ME or CN. (Both are less mineral right?)

So the first thing we need to decide, is that are we going to do ME or CN. I'd prefer CN and leave ME to the Drones as originally planned. We'll have a big loss but we have to live with it. Then the second thing would be all those micromanagement based on no VW built.

That said, I agree with Micha that we shouldn't sweat yet. I don't think GooglieGod is telling us that we've lost it either. If the worst happens, I don't see holding the turn for a longer period is a restriction for us. We could take all the time we need, and likely that still would not be longer than what the other factions spend.

So let's plan for the worst but hope for the best ok?

	25-09-2003 20:14									#5
	Support Apolyton

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Do I even need to say it?

-Jam

	25-09-2003 20:25									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Let us continue building it and see where it takes us, if we are able to complete it before they do then GREAT. If not then we switch to the less expensive (and therefore wasteful) SPs available. But since we are uncertain if the CyCon have completed it, we MUST continue down this path to see where it leads.

My guess is that the CyCon probably have not completed it, and if they know we are building it as well, they're hoping that we will think they have finished it and will give up without trying.

	25-09-2003 20:27									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

...but assuming the worst we should go for the CN, it is much more useful for us, and it allows the Drones to keep the ME.

	25-09-2003 20:44									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Let us continue building it and see where it takes us, if we are able to complete it before they do then GREAT. If not then we switch to the less expensive (and therefore wasteful) SPs available. But since we are uncertain if the CyCon have completed it, we MUST continue down this path to see where it leads.

Agreed wholeheartedly

Did I say "Grrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh?"

-Jam

	26-09-2003 01:18									#9
	Tired of ads?

Yes, even though Jamski and myself were the minority in saying to do it a turn earlier, we need to keep on our path. We're getting a SP, it's just a question of which one.
I'm all for the CN, even as the Hive. Just as long as we prevent the others from getting it, making conquering their bases all that much easier.

	26-09-2003 02:06									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

[evil mastermind justification #1]

Well, they didn't listen to us, did they Vander, but we'll show them

[/evil mastermind justification #1]

-Jam

	26-09-2003 03:55									#11
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Voltaire But since we are uncertain if the CyCon have completed it .....

See my comment in the other similar thread. The CyCon have played the 2137 turn which is now in PEACE hands - you have contact with PEACE - ask them to verify that the VW has (or has not) been built this turn.

(note that they may ask for some "pieces of eight" to give out this information, though, bandits that they are .......)

G.

	26-09-2003 04:48									#12
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Dem pirating seadogs. Looting on the high seas.

	26-09-2003 07:25									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Why do we need to pay pieces of eight for that info? Our comrades like to wait and suffer anyway.

	26-09-2003 20:35									#14
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

We really need someone around at this time on MSN so I can do the turns.

Anyway, VW built this turn so I guess I mis-interepted Googlie.

Also nobody started the ME so drones will get it next turn.

I hope people appear on MSN between 7-8 hours from now.

	26-09-2003 20:47									#15
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Phew! Now everybody dances! If not dance for the SP, dance for your head that is safely on your neck.

I love this kind of situations. (Wasn't me who started the rumor right? )

	26-09-2003 20:48									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Jamski still might kill me for getting it wrong.

	26-09-2003 20:49									#17
	Increase the size of your Attachments

That's pretty cool how we're managed to clear our all those SPs.

Too bad that due to our slow tech rate we'll probably miss out on other SPs.

	26-09-2003 20:53									#18
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Faster tech rate! Invade the university now!

	26-09-2003 21:49									#19
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Phew! Now everybody dances! If not dance for the SP, dance for your head that is safely on your neck.

This means the CyCon HAVEN'T built it yet?

-Jam

	26-09-2003 22:08									#20
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Yea they have, just to confuse you.

	26-09-2003 22:10									#21
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAGH!!!

-Jam

	27-09-2003 12:55									#22
	Inflate your Upload Space

Jamski sounds pretty confused. Must be too much beer.

	28-09-2003 00:55									#23
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Well, its not really a relevant problem anymore

-Jam