27-09-2003 06:13									#31
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CGN just got the save... it may arrive sooner than we thought.

	27-09-2003 06:43									#32
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My Lord, this turn is the turn that started a WORLD WAR! CFC will be the only nation at peace when it's over, and who knows how long that will last!

--Togas

	27-09-2003 06:49									#33
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quote: CFC will be the only nation at peace when it's over, and who knows how long that will last!

As soon as Chivalry gets discovered by someone. And if it's CFC that gets it...

	27-09-2003 08:55									#34
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Saturday, September 27, 150BC is the date of the start of our war of destiny.

E_T

	27-09-2003 09:32									#35
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I should be home sometime around Noon, EDT. I'll finish posting my orders at that time.

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	27-09-2003 10:14									#36
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CGN and GWT are at war, officially, in the save.

CGN has offered us WM, 180g, 6gpt.

They expect (and should receive) our WM + Republic.

We will then sell our FULL WM to GWT for their WM + gold. Our initial suggested price for our expanded WM is 160g.

--Togas

	27-09-2003 13:01									#37
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Saturday, September 27, 150BC is the date of the start of our war of destiny.

"27-11" will be a major event in our history -- the day the world changed.
About something old-fashioned, people will say: "Oh, that's sooooo 26-11 !"

	27-09-2003 14:58									#38
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As we will move the Expedition towards GCA's Iron, I went ahead and did so and made a screen shot of it. GCA has left their Iron unprotected.

GCA has also recently moved more units on the front line. They have 3 Vet units (Sword, Horse, Spear) on the Iron near Rye and 2 Reg units (Sword, Spear) on the Hill that is 2-2-3 of Cuido. The one Elite Sword is still present at 6 of Rye. Tha means we have a total of 6 units to kill on the first turn. There could be more in range, but we wont know till we build the Temp Fort.

BTW, does anyone remeber the name that FP had suggested for this Temp Fort? I recall that alot of people liked it....I just can't recall what it was now!

I would like WIA and myself to both play the turn in unison this afternoon at around 1630 to 1700 EDT. Trip is especially required to be there.

Here's a screen of the current situation:

Last edited by BigFree on 27-09-2003 at 15:49

	27-09-2003 15:42									#39
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree BTW, does anyone remeber the name that FP had suggested for this Temp Fort? I recall that alot of people liked it....I just can't recall what it was now!

IIRC, the suggestion was "Nevermore." (It's in the turnthread where the temp city was first suggested...)

	27-09-2003 22:48									#40
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A note that I will be adding to the Orders soon:

With the possiblility of generating the GA this turn (or subsequent turns), all WF changes will not be final, as things will have to be reevaluated under the changes from the GA.

So, don't forget that we will likely have to make WF changes 2 times this turn.

MoI E_T

	27-09-2003 23:02									#41
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Uh, we will do all the war moves first just to avoid adjusting the WF twice!

	27-09-2003 23:33									#42
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Cutting of an iron source on the first turn of the war would be excellent.
I hope the war goes as planned.

	28-09-2003 00:24									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Hagbart Cutting of an iron source on the first turn of the war would be excellent. I hope the war goes as planned.

Two iron sources, actually. Nevermore will take the Elucidium iron away from GCA, and the swords will pillage the Anarchy iron. That leaves the iron NW of Catchopolis, which we don't know if they've hooked up or not. (I guess we'll find out from the Embassy investigations...)

Speaking of cutting resources, it doesn't look like they have any horses other than the one south of Catchopolis. If we have one sword cut the iron, and the other cut the horses... (not to mention that it'd royally screw up the supply lines, if GCA hasn't gotten around to roading the tile west of Catchopolis)

	28-09-2003 02:25									#44
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The Turnchat has started!!

Investigation of Catcher in the Rye:


Investigation of Incredible Dancing Girl:

	28-09-2003 02:34									#45
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Things that happened:

• GMT 19:20 - Panic. Lucky is in the chatroom.
  
• GMT 21:07 - Discussion on whether we should purposefully trigger our Golden Age or not.
  
• GMT 21:22 - Investigations.
  
• GMT 21:32 - Dec of War was done via the F4 screen by going to ACTIVE deals, clicking on the peace deal, telling our advisor we're sure we want to reneg, then canceling.
  
• GMT 21:33 - Princess of Apolyton was moved 8-8-8; units unloaded onto GCA Iron tile.
  
• GMT 21:45 - People in the chat who don't have a unit named after them will get one ("get on with it!").
  
• GMT 21:53 - Settler founds Nevermore 2-2 of Cuido.
  
• GMT 22:00 - Catapults attack GCA stack. 2 out of 5 hit the enemy.
  
• GMT 22:04 - Anarchy of GCA tries to extend our NAP.
  
• GMT 22:15 - First hand-to-hand combat engaged by Hawkeye -vs- a 3/4 Vet Spear...
  
• GMT 22:16 - Hawk dies a valiant death but the spear is down to 1 HP. Grog follows up -vs- a GCA Swordsman.
  
• GMT 22:17 - Grog dies but takes the Swordsman down to 1 HP. Slash follows...
  
• GMT 22:18 - Slash attacks a Horseman, who retreats, damaged.
  
• GMT 22:19 - Beta attacks! Spearman defending. Beta (damaged) wins!
  
• GMT 22:21 - Hack attacks the 1/4 Sworsman.
  
• GMT 22:22 - Discussion on GA again!
  
• GMT 22:24 - Hack wins with no damage.
  
• GMT 22:27 - Rhothaerill attacks 3/3 GCA Sword. Wins. Promoted to Elite.
  
• GMT 22:28 - Med Inf "B" attacks unfortified Spearman. Wins with 1 HP remaining.
  
• GMT 22:31 - Med Inf "C" attacks 5/5 Fortified Swordsman. Wins with 1 HP remaining. Spots new units 2-3-3 of Nevermore: Elite Swordsman and Veteran Horseman and Swordsman.
  
• GMT 22:34 - We'll be attacking the Horseman. With what? (warrior or NM?)
  
• GMT 22:35 - Elite Warrior Hagbart attacks Horseman... Wins, but no GL.
  

Last edited by BigFurryMonster on 28-09-2003 at 03:39

	28-09-2003 04:21									#46
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Results of the first turn of the invasion:

We have lost 2 MIs. 4 MIs are damaged with one of them promoted to elite status.

6 GCA units were killed, which were an elite Sword, vet Sword, vet Horse, vet Spear, regular Sword and regular Spear.

	28-09-2003 04:56									#47
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Trip will post results of War action and Military units not involved in war.

Economy:

Orders carried out as posted except as follows:

Spink moved 2-4 to join panag (1-1 was not an option due to lack of road)

Frodo moved to Cuido (4-4-2) to Join Trip's army

Yo and Rah moved 7 and irrigated Lux WF#5

Last edited by BigFree on 30-09-2003 at 00:58

	28-09-2003 05:00									#48
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By the way, Catcher in the Rye may not build a Settler after all, if GCA has other items that will complete next turn.

Just a warning to be prepared for (most likely) another Swordsman in that town).


Dominae

	28-09-2003 05:01									#49
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GCA cities of Rye and IDG are investigated.

War declared on GCA via F4 diplomacy screen.

G01 Princess of Apolyton [WhiteBandit] moves 8-8-8 then uses FORTIFY ALL trick with WB.
G02 Expedition [Flash, Jagjef] moves 8-8-8 then drops Flash and Jagjef off onto the GCA iron tile.

M12 BigFurryInfantry moves 2-6-2; heading for the barb camp southeast of Equilibrium (3-3-3-3-6 : six turns).

H02 vonHorseman moves to Mingapulco and fortifies (9-8-9-8); it will use the Barracks to heal then rejoin AGB.

N01 MerZenary moves 6.
N07 Ghengis moves 8-4 and fortifies; will be used to defend Karina, BB and Tripoli.
N13 ZargonX moves 2-1-1; heading for the front lines.
N14 Pikesfan (from Apolyton moves 2-1-1; heading for the front lines.
N15 OPD (from Bananatopia) moves 1-1-1; heading for the front lines.
N16 Sharpe (from Mingapulco) moves 2-1-2 into Karina; heading for the front lines.

The Settler at Cuido 2 moves 2 and founds Nevermore.

All 5 Catapults (C01 - C05) move to Nevermore and bombard the two GCA units at Nevermore 4. First 3 Catapults miss, final 2 hit the GCA Sword and Spear and take them both down to 3/4.

M09 Hawkeye attacks 3/4 Sword. Hawkeye dies and Sword goes down to 1/4.
M10 Grog attacks 3/4 Spear. Grog dies and Spear goes down to 1/4.
M11 Slash attacks 4/4 Horse Horse is taken down to 1/4 and retreats, Slash takes no damage.
M13 Beta attacks 1/4 Spear. Kills Spear and Beta goes down to 2/4.
M14 Hack attacks 1/4 Sword. Kills Sword and Hack takes no damage.
M15 Rhothaerill attacks 3/3 Sword. Kills Sword and goes down to 2/4, promoted to elite 3/5.
M16 Med Inf. B attacks 3/3 unfortified Spear. Kills Spear and goes down to 1/4.
M17 Med Inf. C attacks 5/5 elite Sword. Kills Sword and goes down to 1/4.
W06 Hagbart attacks 1/4 Horse at Rye 8. Kills Horse and goes down to 4/5.

All of AGA except for M08 Steelglove (7 MI, 3 NM, 2 Warriors) moved to Rye 6.

N02 Mao moves to Nevermore 2 and fortifies.
N10 Kloreep moves to Rye 8 to cover 4/5 Hagbart.

Remainder of AGB (5 MI, 2 Horse, 2 NM) moves to Nevermore.

	28-09-2003 06:22									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae By the way, Catcher in the Rye may not build a Settler after all, if GCA has other items that will complete next turn. Just a warning to be prepared for (most likely) another Swordsman in that town). Dominae

If they do that, then they will have used an exploit that is forbidden (it's similar to the wealth exploit). That would be tanatamount to cheating, IMHO.

E_T

	28-09-2003 06:38									#51
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I was not aware that this is forbidden in this game.


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	28-09-2003 06:57									#52
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BF: The second screenie is broken. Also, could you post a screenie of our exploration on the other continent?

	28-09-2003 17:58									#53
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Here are the logs for the turnchat. This is a zipfile that contains 3 files: Preturn discussions starts from when we had first gotten the save, until we had started the turnchat; Main chatroom turnchat discussions; Moderated orders room with orders and results.

turnchat logs zipfile

MoI E_T

	28-09-2003 18:40									#54
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Warning - the main chatroom was mayhem and will be very large. All orders are posted and were carried out in the other room, and you should check that one out if you want to a void any of the fluff.

However, if you want to read about MZ and Trip's little dilemmas - being contacted by GCA members wanting a NAP renewal smack in the middle of our attacks (!), then that's in the main room's log.

	28-09-2003 20:07									#55
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More trival facts from the latest turn :

1. From the top 5 Cities list, Pathemunde built a Settler on Turn 121. Shen Ling built a Settler on Turn 120.

2. No major change in Demographics. We are back to #1 in Military Svcs. Our land area expanded after building the Fort City.

3. We apparently caught GCA at a time when they are Rexing. Server Fire built a Settler on Turn 121, Dun Na Anarchy built a Settler on Turn 119. Both Settlers are on the way, but have not found any new City. The Algalord Settler (Turn 115) was used to built Lucky Harbor.

Also, the screen shot of Catcher in the Rye (will finish Settler on Turn 122) and Incredible Dancing Girl (building Worker) clearly confirm that.

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Summary of the GCA city status : (Turn 77 to Turn 121)
Catcher in the Rye (formerly known as Elucidium - CDG)
Turn 93 - captured city from CDG. Walls included.
Turn 99 - Population increase to 2
Turn 103 - Population reduced to 1. Rushed a temple.
Turn 105 - Population increased to 2
Turn 108 - Culture expanded (from temple rush on turn 103)
Turn 110 - Population increased to 3
Turn 117 - Population increased to 4

Incredible Dancing Girl (formerly known as Zarigueya - CDG)
Turn 90 - captured city from CDG. Walls included.
Turn 108 - Culture expanded. same time as Catcher in the Rye. Likely to have built a temple too on Turn 103.
Turn 113 - Population increased to 2
Turn 114 - Population reduced to 1. Likely to have built a worker.

Random Outpost (formerly known as OurGoatsaretrainedtokill - CDG)
Turn 86 - Captured from CDG
Turn 102 - Population increased to 2
Turn 120 - Population increased to 3

Algalord
Turn 81 - Culture expanded (to 100) so their temple was built very long ago
Turn 94 - Population increased to 4
Turn 105 - Population increased to 5
Turn 115 - Population reduced to 3. Built Settler. Settler found Lucky Harbor.
Turn 120 - Population increased to 4
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Server Fire
Turn 91 - Built from the settler from Dun na Anarchy
Turn 101 - Population increased to 2
Turn 111 - Population increased to 3
Turn 121 - Population reduced to 1. Built Settler. Settler has not found City yet.

Catchopolis
Turn 84 - Population increased to 5
Turn 101 - Population increased to 6

Dun na Arnachy
Turn 81 - Population increased to 3
Turn 85 - Population increased to 4
Turn 88 - Population reduced to 2. Built settler. Settler found Server Fire.
Turn 90 - Population increased to 3
Turn 95 - Population increased to 4
Turn 99 - Culture expanded (10). Could have built a temple on Turn 94.
Turn 100 - Population increased to 5
Turn 101 - Population reduced to 3. Built settler. Settler found Port Blacksand.
Turn 105 - Population increased to 4
Turn 107 - Population reduced to 2. Built settler. Settler found Sodapopolis.
Turn 110 - Population increased to 3
Turn 115 - Population increased to 4
Turn 119 - Population dropped to 3. Likely to have built a Settler. Settler has not found City yet. (Dun's population increased approx every 5 turns)

Balance of Power
Turn 92 - Population increased to 5
Turn 101 - Culture expanded (100). Must have built temple very long ago.

Port Blacksand
Turn 105 - built from settler from Dun Na Anarchy
Turn 115 - Population increased to 2

Sodapopolis
Turn 111 - built from settler from Dun Na Anarchy

Lucky Harbor
Turn 120 - built from settler from Algalord

Last edited by rush on 28-09-2003 at 20:13

	28-09-2003 20:33									#56
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We’ve done something to them, at any rate. I’ve noticed in the past few turns their score has gone up by 4 where ours has gone up by 3. This turn their score has only gone up by 3.

	28-09-2003 20:49									#57
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quote: Originally posted by pikesfan We’ve done something to them, at any rate. I’ve noticed in the past few turns their score has gone up by 4 where ours has gone up by 3. This turn their score has only gone up by 3.

The bouncing between 3 and 4 per turn increase is just a normal variation in score increase. We shouldn't start seeing a noticable drop in their score increase rate until they've lost a good bit of land and/or pop.

I'll go ahead and post the pre-war snapshot of what each team's real scoregraph looks like for later comparison.

	29-09-2003 01:09									#58
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Could someone please post a screenshot of the Princess of Apolyton and the other continent (all of it that we have explored)?

	29-09-2003 07:06									#59
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Sorry civman - upload is not working from my computer. Can anyone do this...?

	30-09-2003 01:01									#60
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 Could someone please post a screenshot of the Princess of Apolyton and the other continent (all of it that we have explored)?

I just fixed the link up above. Sorry about that.