26-09-2003 06:19									#1
	Turn 121, 150BC - The Fateful Turn Support Apolyton

To be edited only by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Republic
- Researching Invention (36) 1 scientist.
- 104 gold. +26 gpt
- Slider at 9/0/1 tax/sci/lux


Urgent questions & tasks
- Trade agreement written up with CFC. Done?
- Galley exploration
- The Invasion!

Unit Movement & Actions:

See MOW orders in post below... too much stuff and it clutters up this post.

Economy:

the desision to rush these 2 should be made towards the end of the turn (the possible GA might effect the need for it). Please reserve the gold for these 2.
Rush Cat in Cuido for 20 Gold?
Rush Granary in Lux for 20 Gold?


TBD by MOI

WF:
these orders are for a Non-GA end of turn.
Apolyton - starting WF 3-4-12-13-16-18. Change WF to 3-4-8-12-13-18.
Mingapolco - starting WF 4-8-9-10-15. NC.
Bananatopia - starting WF 2-4-5-6-8-16-19 (working game). NC.
Incensity - starting WF 5-6-7-17. NC.
Tripoli - starting WF 2-7-17-18. NC.
Equilibrium - starting WF scientist. NC.
Cuildo de Alcohol - starting WF 1-19. NC. ??rush Catapult for 20 gold??
Hispanica - starting WF 1-2-3-4. NC.
Possumopolis - starting WF 7-14. NC.
Karina - starting WF 4-19. NC.
LuxInvicta - starting WF 4-9-13. Change WF to 5-6-13. ??rush Granary for 20 gold??
Big Bend - starting WF 3. NC.
BigFurryCity - starting WF 6-7-8-20. Change WF to 6-7-19-20.
Heart of Darkness - starting WF 3-10-11. NC.

Workers:
Referance: Map of tiles still needing Improvements
Mark & Otto - Start clearing (6 turns).
Go3 ( MrWIA, EVC & Dejon) - move 6-8 to Tripoli 8 (WF #1) and start mining (2 turns).
Yin - Start Roading Equil 4 (WF #7).
Lib - move 4-4-4 to Equil 4 (WF #7).
Spink & Rush - mine built, Rush Frozen. Move Spink 1-1 to and help panag with his mining. rush will be heading to join Incensity next turn.
Frodo's Gang (Frodo, Yo & rah) - move 7 to Karina 6 (WF #2) and Mine (done).
Out Of Darkness - start clearing (12 turns).
Dan & Gits - 2 turns left to clear.
Monkee & CalcII - 4 turns left to clear.
Squid & Horse - 5 turns left to clear.
Slave Farb - roading still...



Diplomacy:
GCA: NAP in effect (to Turn 130).
CFC: NAP expired.
GWT: Chat at 2pm EDT
CGN: Contact letter, trades, etc.

Comment, please, many "plans" are just suggestions or ideas, not decisions already made.

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Note: keypad directions used for all except WF orders.

Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results

Last edited by E_T on 28-09-2003 at 02:00

	26-09-2003 06:19									#2
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AGA contains: 8 vet MIs (1 through 8), 3 vet NMs (6, 8, 9), 1 elite Warrior, 2 regular Warriors (14 units).
AGB contains: 12 vet MIs (9 through 11, 13 through 21), 2 vet Horsemen, 3 vet NMs (10 - 12), 1 regular NM, 5 Catapults, 1 Settler (25 units)

1 vet Horseman and 1 Catapult are active (or soon to be active) units which will be added to AGA or AGB later.

Non-War Orders

G01 I. Princess of Apolyton [WhiteBandit] moves 8-8-8 then uses FORTIFY ALL trick with WB.
G02 II. Expedition [Flash, Jagjef] moves 8-8 to see if GCA has any units stationed on its iron mountain. If there are no units then it will move 8 again and drop off Flash and Jagjef onto the mountain. If there is a unit on the mountain then it will do the same, but land the Swordsmen on the hill instead. If there's units on both the mountain AND the hill then the Galley will move 1 and land the Swordsmen on the forest tile 4 of where the Galley will be.

M12 XII. BigFurryInfantry moves 2-6-2; heading for the barb camp southeast of Equilibrium (3-3-3-3-6 : six turns).

H02 vonHorseman moves to Mingapulco and fortifies (9-8-9-8); it will use the Barracks to heal then rejoin AGB.

N01 I. MerZenary moves 6.
N07 VII. Ghengis moves 8-4 and fortifies; will be used to defend Karina, BB and Tripoli.
N13 XI. ZargonX moves 2-1-1; heading for the front lines.
N14 XII. 'Apolyton' moves 2-1-1; heading for the front lines.
N15 XIII. 'Bananatopia' moves 1-1-1; heading for the front lines.
N16 XIV. 'Mingapulco' moves 2-1-2 into Karina; heading for the front lines.

W07 VII. WhiteBandit disembarks if there is a non-GWT tile to land at (unlikely).

War Orders

The Settler at Cuido 2 moves 2 and founds the fort city (FC).

Army Group B:

• All 5 Catapults (C01 - C05) will move to the FC and bombard the two GCA units at FC 4. They should do 2 or 3 HP damage to them.
  
  
• M09 Hawkeye kicks off the invasion by attacking one of the units at FC 4. M10 Grog and M11 Slash (if necessary) will move in to finish the units on that hill. It should not take more than 3 MIs to kill them both.
  
  
• M13 Beta will attack the GCA Swordsman at FC 3. M14 and maybe M15 will follow up to defeat the Horseman and the Swordsman if it survived the first attack. If the Horseman retreats or has 1 or 2 HP remaining after an unsuccessful attack then N10 Kloreep will attack it and kill it to begin our GA.
  
  
• The remainder of AGB will move to FC in preparation for future operations.

	26-09-2003 06:30									#3
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	26-09-2003 07:21									#4
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The orders for
G02 II. Expedition [Flash, Jagjef]

Should be considered as hostile, therefore War orders and executed only after the declaration.

	26-09-2003 07:31									#5
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quote: Originally posted by roadcage The orders for G02 II. Expedition [Flash, Jagjef] Should be considered as hostile, therefore War orders and executed only after the declaration.

Technically we don't have to declare war before doing so, and it also wasn't involved in the upper theater (perhaps I should have named things "GCA Front" and "Otherwise" with regards to the orders) so I didn't want to add it. Plus seperating the Galley orders might make things confusing... at least this way no one will miss one or the other.

	26-09-2003 07:37									#6
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I have no idea how I’ll get to sleep tonight when we will be at war the next day

	26-09-2003 07:43									#7
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Reminder: although the random seed is preserved meaning that the outcome of battles cannot be changed via something like reloading, in my SP games I have noticed that changing the ORDER of your movement etc. orders can result in different results for the same battle. For example, in a SP game I played recently using the latest PtW version, an Elite unit of mine took a city and spawned a GL. If I reloaded and made that move earlier in the turn than I had before, I still won but no GL emerged.

Thus it will become important to signpost which moves happen first so Consuls playing at the same time can get the exact same results from battles. Even WF changes may affect battle outcomes to some extent (untested), so we may have to decide upon a strict official progression for orders to be played in, eg WF, then workers, then other unit movements, then attacks.

	26-09-2003 07:58									#8
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Yes, especially from now on all MOW orders should be conducted in the order laid out and before anything else is done in the turn (production, Workers, etc.) just to be safe...

	26-09-2003 08:02									#9
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I was just talking with Donegeal about this a bit ago...

We should wait until sometime in the evening or so (for the US... sorry MWIA ) so as many people can be in on the chat as possible. That goes for whichever day GWT decides to send the save, be it today, tomorrow or the day after.

It should be a doozy.

	26-09-2003 08:05									#10
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The next 48 suit me - WEEKEND!!!!

	26-09-2003 08:24									#11
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I plan on being there... PLEASE give some form of warning ahed of time of WHEN this chat will take place (exactly).

Thanks.

	26-09-2003 08:24									#12
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When (approximately) should we all join the chat for this fateful turn? I know I want to be there.


Dominae

	26-09-2003 08:43									#13
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How does 8pm eastern time sound? That would be 100 GMT I think.

Though I have absolutely no ability to set the time there doesn't seem to be anyone on right now who could confirm a time. That being the case, if the consuls have a problem with it then they can, of course, change it.

	26-09-2003 08:58									#14
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8pm EST...manana?

	26-09-2003 08:59									#15
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Of Course, we first have to get the save back, before we will know when it will be. But we should atleast have 24 hours of notice. Watch this thread for any update as to who currently has the save.

As of about 15 minutes ago (from when this reply was posted), CFC passed the save onto GWT. It will then go to GCA, CGN and then back to us.

E_T

	26-09-2003 09:43									#16
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24 hours may be possible.....

what if we said at 8pm EST (0100GMT) the day after we get it, but no less than 24 hours after the exact time we get it? That gives everyone at least a day to get their asses here.

So if the save arrives before 8pm EST Saturday, we play 8pm EST Sunday. If it arrives after 8pm, then we play 8pm EST Monday.

Just thinking on this, this will likely take me out of it completely. Would 12 or 16 hours maximum time be enough? And are there any serious objections to 8pm EST?

	26-09-2003 09:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Just thinking on this, this will likely take me out of it completely. Would 12 or 16 hours maximum time be enough? And are there any serious objections to 8pm EST?

Well, as long as the save continues to move then things should be alright... we have been preparing for this turn for a while.

	26-09-2003 13:01									#18
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As long as people watch here for regular updates as to where the save currfently is, then they will know when we might have the chat. I was meaning 24 hour notice as to just keeping track and planning 24 hours from whenever.

Currently, GWT still has the save. Besides GCA, they have been taking the longest these last several turns to play their turn.

E_T

	26-09-2003 13:06									#19
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt And are there any serious objections to 8pm EST?

Well, now that you're asking me, yes. There are times for which it is at least daylight in the US, NZ and Europe. It is not a US-only game.

This time is around 20:00 GMT or so, which is 15:00 EST, 16:00 EDT New York time, 21:00 BST London time, 22:00 CEST Paris time, 8:00 "Mike" Wellington time)

But this time, I can understand that as soon as the turn is here, we should start playing.

	26-09-2003 13:12									#20
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I have to be at work at 8PM EDT. It might be up to just MrWIA to play it. Of course, it all depends on when we get it. This is just the first turn of the war; there will many many others...

	26-09-2003 21:35									#21
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8 PM EDT or EST? ie 2400 or 2500 GMT?

	26-09-2003 21:55									#22
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Well my understanding is that it is currently EDT because daylight savings is still in effect. Otherwise I would be quoting EST.

	26-09-2003 21:57									#23
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8pm in whatever time it is in the east at that time.

	26-09-2003 22:09									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Trip 8pm in whatever time it is in the east at that time.

We are still on EDT, which is 2400 GMT

(eastern standard time is GMT-5, and going to daylight savings, for reasons no one will ever understand, take it to GMT-4)

	26-09-2003 22:21									#25
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Then I suppose that would make it 2000 EDT and 2400 GMT then.

	26-09-2003 22:30									#26
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Yes, it would, but.....that would assume that we get the save prior to or at that time today. If we get it after maybe we should plan for the chat to be tommorow...perhaps at 1600 EDT/2000 GMT???

	26-09-2003 23:02									#27
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Yes, it would, but.....that would assume that we get the save prior to or at that time today. If we get it after maybe we should plan for the chat to be tommorow...perhaps at 1600 EDT/2000 GMT???

Sounds like a plan.

	27-09-2003 05:00									#28
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So - I gather we do not have the save yet???

	27-09-2003 05:22									#29
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I believe GWT has finally passed it to on... I heard that GCA currently has it.

	27-09-2003 05:42									#30
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Looks like we'll be playing the save tomorrow at 4pm EDT (should the save arrive before that time).