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A bit later than originally planned, but "Of Celts and Iberians -- Conquest of the Silver Country" is finally available for download. Check it out at the Spanish Civilization Site
Send flames, constructive criticisms and, best of all, saved games to [e-mail]spanish@apolyton.net[/e-mail]
My deep gratitude to Rob Roy, Cam Hills and Stefan Härtel for sharing their wisdom with me.
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This is a very good scenario... I got hooked yesterday afternoon while waiting for Lili to finish up her work. It ended up taking her longer than she planned, and I ended up playing a LOT longer than I'd planned.
Sure hope I manage to finish that dissertation thing...
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Thanks Paul 
One of the things I last changed from the playtesting versions to the final one was an event that made the Carthaginians disappear if the Romans took over Gades. I finally left that event out for two reasons:
a) To make the things way more difficult for the Romans (human player) in the South. If the Romans take easily over Turdetania the game is over. Keeping the Carthsginians in I ensured that would not happen (at least not easily).
b) As a sort of what if? The reasons why the Carthaginians lost the Second Punic War are not totally understood even today. They were so close to crush the Romans! Surprisingly, the AI-controlled Carthaginians do it pretty well in the scenario (at least during my own playtesting). So I let them do as a sort of "historical revenge". Hint: when attacking the Carthaginians, open two fronts. That simplifies the things a lot.
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It also seems that becoming a democracy has a point, as the envoy unit is a real major pain once the Carthaginians start building them. I lost my entire army in southern Spain to envoys who bribed all six of the major cities that I captured there. They must be spending thousands of gold per turn bribing my units and cities... eventually they started shipping them in BY BOAT to attack my rear.
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Prometeus
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of Old Europe - "In America we don't trust"
Jun 2000 time: 06:13
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There's a reason for everything in the world ...
Hannibal ( and Carthaginians )loosed the second punic war because he wasn't able to mantain an enduring alliance against Rome.
Celts, rebel Italic cities ( like Capua ) or Macedonian king Philip V weren't such good allies as loyal Italic were from Rome instead. If you add logistic problem ( FIDES PUNICA was legend amongst Romans - in order to supply his own army, Hannibal had to ravage the whole Southern Italy, with ovious results ... ), Scipio's family strategic intuitions ( they understood very well the value of Carthaginian Spain ), the first Punic war peace treatry terms ( including the drammatic decrease of the Punic fleet ships ), and - the most important point - the newest legionary tactics and weaponry ( "quincunce" disposition, iberic gladius, the side attack formation used at the battles of Baecula, Ilipa, Campi Magni and - in a little more different way - Zama ), you can easy find the answer.
P.S. OOOPS, i forgot : how can i stop Carthaginian's FIDES PUNICA tendences to bribe everything on their pats ?
[This message has been edited by Prometeus (edited June 17, 2000).]
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Problem fixed. The actual final version is now up on the Spanish Site. Please download it again. I am sorry for the inconvenience caused.
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Yay!
Romans don't build cities. We just conquer them.
Maybe I'll try playing as one of the Iberian tribes for a while and see if I can survive I need a break from writing anyway.
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-Blackclove
Email: blackclove.geo@yahoo.com
Web: members.xoom.com/platehead/
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My dissertation breaks have amounted to something: This is 143 B.C., playing as Turdestan (white dots near the bottom of the map). For those who've tried this scenario, you know how many Carthaginian units had to die to get this far. Gades and three other major centers of Carthaginian power are under my control (and well-defended with Iberian Armies and Coastal Fortresses). We are not quite able to build good ships; we have biremes that can carry 1 unit, which was enough to ferry my cavalry into North Africa and conquer the enemy there.
Rome is the red stuff in the northeast; Carthage is the orange in the southwest. We're the white in the south, while the other colors are other Celts and Iberians (soon to fall under my advancing Turtles!)
I should add in the initial battle with Carthage, I lost only three cities, one of which was completely destroyed. We eventually repatriated them after discovering cavalry.
[This message has been edited by blackclove (edited June 19, 2000).]
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