26-09-2003 19:15									#1
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I am completely convinced that there are GS forces hiding somewhere.

Arrian's insistance on the last being a 'major' battle just reinforces that belief IMO. They want us to believe they are weakened. I don't think they were. Much.

Surprised? Yes.

We of course need ND and Lego to be aware before pursuing this line of thought.

We should seek a seperate peace based on these grounds:

Tell them the alliance is falling apart. We feel ND is reckless. They are attacking carelessly and hindering our strategic position. That ND is not owning up to some part of our deal, even.

We still want to Win this game, the current war is simply going to take too long to do this.

Find what they want for peace. Help vs ND? All of RP back?

	26-09-2003 19:47									#2
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UnOrtho, we are uh........ already doing this.

Aggie sent a 10 turn cease fire proposal to Togas yesterday in order to trick Roleplay into attacking the Alamo.

There is some indication they are falling for it............

	27-09-2003 07:20									#3
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Ok now that RP is out of the way lets talk about a GS proposal. Different tone or same tone with Gs.
Here are two options.

1)We want peace and will be willing to negotiate a deal that will allow some preence on BOB. War is not going as good as we liked. ND can't help as much as we hoped(true they have a much slower production it seems and are weak compared to us(of course all but GS are)) let make a cease fire hopefully leading to peace. This is basically Unortho's view and consistent somewhat with the view of weakness we want to put forth.

2)The "we will win in the end option". Just a matter of time. We are 2 to their 1. even after the GA we are = to them together. No point in pursuing a lost cause. RP is a lead weight draggging them down. They can't gain from this only loose valuable time and troops. Make peace and we will consider some kind of deal as above.(this actually is my REAL view of the situation), but I am hesistant to tell them this.

3) The cold sterile message we sent RP, word for word.

All else would be a combo of these three. I plan on sending such offer right before they get the turn.

Note: when I said it was unortho's view I meant it was his view of how the message should be.
Aggie

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	27-09-2003 08:43									#4
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Cold and sterile. They are smarter than Roleplay and will see through any mention of allowing a presence on Bob.

Perhaps, hint that we need to start conserving our forces if we have any hopes of thwarting Lego.

	27-09-2003 08:55									#5
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Perhaps to cold and sterile add lego being mentioned like this "The only true winner of this continued conflict is Lego". I'll probably write the actua message tomorrow.
Aggie

	27-09-2003 18:06									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie Perhaps to cold and sterile add lego being mentioned like this "The only true winner of this continued conflict is Lego". I'll probably write the actua message tomorrow. Aggie

That sounds good.

	27-09-2003 21:44									#7
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Here's a draft
"We are hereby offering a 10 turn cease fire effective immediately. During this cease fire NO troops can enter the other’s territory and all invaders must withdraw. Additionally no galley movement is to take place. We are offering this due to the fact in our conflict the only winner is Lego."

I am careful in this message for several reason.
1) they might actually accept, but do actions to protect RP, such as a unit wall around every RP city.

2) They are stronger and better players than RP,(as has been mentioned), and if it poorly thrown together would see as a ruse.

I am also considering whether or not to add a "non interference of interal conflicts in Bob" clause to avoid 1 above.

I am even debating whether or not to send this or making it 5turns. If we do and they accept they could get a colony on the SP sources when they get GP and due to cease fire we could do nothing. As of now they still don't have invention. Of course if the agree to the above clause they would have no port to get the SP home through.(since with above clause we take all the coastal cities immediatly and Toledo and pamploma in about 5).

Of course they could wriggle out and have RP gift them cities and say that was not interferring.
Aggie

	27-09-2003 22:08									#8
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Talking to Togas and OctavianX (who is from GS) yesterday about ISDG, this came up:

quote: [01:15] [MasterZen] see you all are so jealous of GoW-ND you want to start alliances of your own. :P [01:15] * Togas has his own alliance, thank you. [01:15] [MasterZen] an alliance based on opportunism and treachery! [01:15] [Octavian_X] My troubles come from simple fear. [01:15] [MasterZen] be gone catholic devil! [01:15] [Togas] Our trecherous allies give us all our cities back. Sucks to be us. [01:16] [MasterZen] great, more RP cities to take [01:16] * Octavian_X had assumed MZ was catholic. : [01:16] [Octavian_X] 1,8:P2,1 [01:16] [Togas] bring it. [01:16] * MasterZen is virulently atheist [01:16] [Togas] and stop sending us Cease Fire Agrements you GoW wussies [01:16] [MasterZen] hahaha [01:16] [MasterZen] we believe in giving even the most pitiful nation a second chance [01:17] [MasterZen] such is our mercy [01:17] [Octavian_X] hehe [01:17] [Togas] there will be no peace

Since diplomatically, GS is actually RP's *****es and not the other way around...

	27-09-2003 22:10									#9
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Hmmm, I don't know. I would DEFINITELY get rid of the word INVADERS, as they might view that in the context that we have to withdraw from all captured lands.

I like the wording you sent to Roleplay better.

quote: [01:17] [Togas] there will be no peace

I now have the theme from Independence Day running through my head.............................

Maybe we should all add that quote to our sigs and take ID4 avatars.................

	28-09-2003 05:45									#10
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I call the crazy drunk dude.

Sorry, didn't know this was already being done. Can't keep up, so I'll shut up for now...

	28-09-2003 06:58									#11
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I choose the alien.

	28-09-2003 07:03									#12
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx I call the crazy drunk dude. Sorry, didn't know this was already being done. Can't keep up, so I'll shut up for now...

If you do the crazy drunk dude I call the General.

And the aliens are Roleplay. Because they get their ass kicked in the end............

	28-09-2003 07:09									#13
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Ok, I choose Jeff Goldblum, only because he was The Fly

	28-09-2003 08:08									#14
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I guess I can be the pres who says"nuke the bastards".
Just let me find my nukes and won't Gs be surprised when we attack with fighter planes.
Aggie

	28-09-2003 17:04									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie I guess I can be the pres who says"nuke the bastards". Just let me find my nukes and won't Gs be surprised when we attack with fighter planes. Aggie

We have to find a way through their technology (GS) first................

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