16-03-2001 19:07									#1
	OCC Bloodlust Succession Game Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Marko_Polo proposes in this thread a variant of the OCC Bloodlust challenge that is suitable for a Succession Game and I have been volunteered to set it up.

Rules and Objectives
as the thread above

Civ version v2.42

Dramatis Personae
-- Round 1 --

1. SG[1] -- git1@scousers.net
2. Carolus Rex -- definitely_rex@hotmail.com
3. Marko Polo -- marko.raunio@luukku.com
4. Hueij -- j.stavenuiter@chello.nl
5. Julius Brenzaida -- julius.brenzaida@infomaniak.ch
6. East Street Trader -- youdell@aol.com
7. skrobism -- theidiots@yahoo.com

	16-03-2001 19:46									#2
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Ok!

Max 20 turns/player early in the game sounds fine to me. Do I read your post right if I assume we at some point voluntarily restrict the number of turns to some lower number?

BTW, something just struck me! I've had problems downloading files from hotmail for some time now (uploading and sending files is ok, though).

Is it too much trouble to send me the file via ICQ? We either have to be on-line at the same time, or, you can send me the "transfer file"-request and have ICQ running until I come on-line and accept it. I can go on-line any time of the day if necessary.

If this is too much trouble I can send you my real e-mail, although I suffer from net paranoia and prefer to be anonymous.

Carolus

	16-03-2001 19:50									#3
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Oh, I see you just edited in the saved games. I take it you have played your turns... No need for icq then, is there? I just download the 3050 BC save, play my turns and send it to the next guy, right?

Carolus

	16-03-2001 19:51									#4
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We're off - I had a start that I had been saving for that ever farther away day when I could sit down and play out an OCC game completely - so I have used it - four specials, Whale, Wine and 2 Fish - 3 techs BW, CB & WC -- found two huts both contained Scrolls - CoL & Monarchy (I think I would have preferred an odd NON unit instead. Revolted in 3250. Will send to Carolus directly ...

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Scouse Git[1]

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	16-03-2001 19:52									#5
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Yes Carolus, that saves my sending it by e-mail -- good luck

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Scouse Git[1]

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	16-03-2001 19:55									#6
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Thanks buddy, I'll need it!

Monarchy in 3250 BC... Can't hurt, can it?

One save to the next guy and one to you to put up at the site?

Carolus

	16-03-2001 20:11									#7
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Thanks SG for setting up this game! My schedule is rather busy right now but I always have the nights..

So as soon as I get the game I try to play my turns during the same evening. That 72h time limit sounds quite good.. let's see if we can make this game a 'lightning OCC bloodlust' one!

	16-03-2001 21:50									#8
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Hey. Sounds interesting. Can I still get in on this?

email theidiots@yahoo.com

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	17-03-2001 01:43									#9
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OK, skrobism, you're in -- see the first post.

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"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	17-03-2001 03:50									#10
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Thanks SG. I like the 72 hour rule. Lately I've needed some prodding to find time to play. I have been too busy. I think that rule will help keep my priorities straight.


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	17-03-2001 08:47									#11
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Hey guys can i join in the game? my email is abneyja@yahoo.com thanks!

	18-03-2001 04:36									#12
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Damn, just for one day you don't check Apolyton and people set up a game... Is there still a place for one more?

	18-03-2001 16:23									#13
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Marko, you've got mail!

Short log coming up after these messages...

Carolus

	18-03-2001 18:18									#14
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Once upon a time there was a small village. The small village had been abandoned by its former king, who's thirst for worldly pleasures was not easy to satisfy for the local taverna. Without the guidance of a benevolent, yet firm, leader the people of the small village now lived in fear of the barbarian hordes, rampaging the country side.

Then one morning a stranger, a tall vagabond, appeared. You could tell from the way he walked, that it was a man used to encounter (and overcome) difficulties and danger. The man entered the taverna.

"Water from your finest spring", he demanded, "for I have travelled far!"

Thus begins the story when a man without name or history started his journey to become a legend during his own life time. His subjects called him Carolus Rex.

3000 BC Discover pottery, currency next choice
2750 BC Chariot (hut)
2600 BC Barb archer destroys the wine mine...
2400 BC Discover currency, writing next choice (trade was not an option)
2200 BC Met the French, gave them pottery, not able to get tribute
2050 BC Barb horse from hut, threatening the warrior that entered the hut

The settler is working on that mine again.

Edited: Added a couple of 's!

Carolus

[This message has been edited by Carolus Rex (edited March 18, 2001).]

	18-03-2001 19:55									#15
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File received. I'll play my turns today

	19-03-2001 00:45									#18
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Well, what should I say.. the situation isn't too bright for us. Now I understand the true sense of Hueij's words in SG's tag..

We have a size 3 Rome with one warrior garrisioned, that means we must keep one worker as elvis to avoid riot. We have three shields (as barbs destroyed the wine mine). Of those one goes to the chariot support, which leaves only two to Colossus building. It will take 57 turns with two shield..

Here is my log:

-2050: Traded monarchy for masonry with the French, they demand currecy, we give that and as gift CoL + warrior code. They are cordial but refuse the alliance
-2000: Barb horse escaped and our warrior is safe! The other warrior closest to Rome tries to kill the barb archer who is blocking his way back to Rome. Well, this wasn't poor warrior's lucky day It was very close though
-1850: Wine mined, hut: Trade!!!-->French
-1500: Chariot returned home, elvis got fired immediately!
-1400: Hut: barb archer & legion , we bury our brave warrior under a big oak
-1300: French demands 50g from us, we refuse, war (sigh)
-1200: Writing-->Literacy
-1050: Colossus (finally!)
-1000: Rome will grow to S4 next turn and a warrior will be completed as well to maintain martial law

During my millenium I could only build the Colossus. I decided not to rushbuild it; I could have done it four turns before, but thought we can spend the gold (139 or something) better. Wonder shield is 4g when improvement shield is only 2g and we haven't got library yet..

The diplomacy situation is grim too.. we have only met the French who is extremely hostile to us. We really need to find the other AI's soon

Save game is sent to EST & SG. Good luck!

	19-03-2001 15:36									#19
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Malignantx & Hueij have joined - see first post - I have two new save games that I have put in the first post ...
I believe EST is off skiing in Austria - it would be best if we skipped him this time round - I hAV forwarded the save to skrobism ...

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Scouse Git[1]

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven
[This message has been edited by Scouse Gits (edited March 19, 2001).]

	19-03-2001 18:04									#21
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If you can forgive me, for once (but only once) taking 2 weeks for playing 15 turns in the AI headstart sucession game, I'm also willing to join this one. I'm in many games, but the OCC, the gigamap and the lighnting should finish pretty soon, so I think I can handle this one too.

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	19-03-2001 19:00									#22
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OK Julius, I think we have to let you in just to even things up a bit for Carolus -- see the first post ...

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Scouse Git[1]

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	21-03-2001 00:16									#23
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I got the save. I will try to play to night.

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	21-03-2001 00:18									#24
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SG,
I like the way you are organizing this thread with all other updates at the top. Good idea.

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	21-03-2001 15:01									#25
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First, I changed my username 'Marko_Polo' --> 'Marko Polo' by removing the unnecessary underscore from my nic. In the process I seemed to lose my post count as well

Then to my proposition: we have now 8 players. I was thinking that could we split to make two teams 4 players each? The second team would start from 3050BC save so that the game start would we coherent for both teams. It's not too late to do that because only 4 players have been involved yet. IMHO we could have these advantages by doing this:

(1) with two teams we could compete like we do in the current OCC succession game. That would be fun!

(2) we all get to continue the game sooner

I have been thinking why so many succession games seem to start with great enthusiasm but then the commitment of the players seem to wither during the course of time. I have one explanation: if there are too many players you'll get detached from the game. I mean, when you get the game next time too much have changed since you left the game to your successor. You'll lose the feel of continuation which is one of the basic element in Civ-games. The very essense that keeps you addicted to the game.. am I right?

Well, does my idea get any support? I don't want to impose my opinion here and want to say that I can live with 8 players as well if the majority wants it. Just trying to get more out of these succession games!

	21-03-2001 23:08									#27
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Marko Polo,
It's ok with me, but I guess it is up to SG who started the thread/game. Just tell me who to pass the save file to.

Anyone,
Speaking of feeling disconnected from a dying game. What happened to the AKC game?

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	22-03-2001 00:08									#28
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I think johnmcd is playing the AKC game.
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	22-03-2001 01:41									#29
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I think if we keep rigidly to the 72 hour rule we will overcome the disconnection problem - sometimes that will mean only playing one or two turns - maybe even a fractional turn - for my money stay with the eight players and pass to Hueij ...

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Scouse Git[1]

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	22-03-2001 20:28									#30
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Speaking of 72 hours...
The past 2 nights have crazy with sick kids. No time at home, and get this, for some nutty reason the boss won't let me play at work. I am passing the game to Hueij untouched. I'll catch it the next time around.



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