27-09-2003 09:33									#1
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This is a bill that has been introduced into the House of Representives not too long ago. What this bill is suppost to do is with hold federal money from states that dont enforce immigration laws. I also think it allows states to enforce these laws. I have not had a chance to go over it all, but I think it is a great idea.

Here is a link to the bill.
CLEAR Act of 2003

What do you all think?

	27-09-2003 09:36									#2
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It's nice to know this bill doesn't have a chance in hell in the Senate. All sorts of stupid things get rbough up in the House. That is why they serve 2 year terms.

	27-09-2003 09:38									#3
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quote: Originally posted by GePap It's nice to know this bill doesn't have a chance in hell in the Senate. All sorts of stupid things get rbough up in the House. That is why they serve 2 year terms.

What do you find wrong with this? I think the info there said about 100 congress memebers are co sponoring the bill.

	27-09-2003 09:41									#4
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And how many of them are form the big states that actually get immigrants, which also happen to be the ones that pay the Federal bills. It's easy for some guy in Wyoming to ***** about immigrants, specially living on the dole of states like Cal, Florida, NY, NJ, and Texas.

	27-09-2003 09:42									#5
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quote: Originally posted by GePap And how many of them are form the big states that actually get immigrants, which also happen to be the ones that pay the Federal bills. It's easy for some guy in Wyoming to ***** about immigrants, specially living on the dole of states like Cal, Florida, NY, NJ, and Texas.

Well a lot of people here in California would like to see the immigration laws enforced.

	27-09-2003 09:44									#6
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Good for you. Still means nothing as far as this bill passing. And what money would be withheld? Medicare? What ever happened to state's rights?

	27-09-2003 09:49									#7
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Good for you. Still means nothing as far as this bill passing. And what money would be withheld? Medicare? What ever happened to state's rights?

The federal government did the same thing with the drinking age. They withheld federal highway funds from states that did not raise the legal age to drink to 21. The courts said it was legal and now all states have raised the drinking age to 21.

	27-09-2003 09:56									#8
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Why should we punish suppliers of illegal immigrants when what we really have is a demand problem. Punish the people who hire illegal immigrants.

Course, then we'll never have any vegitables or fruit or clean buildings again, but at least conservatives can be happy knowing that the country is safe from cheap labor.

	27-09-2003 10:07									#9
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quote: Originally posted by GePap What ever happened to state's rights?

That's been dead for quite awhile.

	27-09-2003 10:20									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www What do you find wrong with this? I think the info there said about 100 congress memebers are co sponoring the bill.

It's funny. Conservatives used to ***** and whine to no end, for very good cause by the way, about unfunded mandates.

First issue, forget immigration and all those dirty greasy thieving dark people for a minute, and consider the general notion of the Federal goverment taxing the hell out of the citizenry, then telling the states (who can't tax the hell out of the citizenry near as much to pay for things) that "you enforce our laws at your cost, or we'll keep money we've taken from your residents, and withhold that money from projects we've mandated that you do."

How do you like that as a general principle of government?

But when there's a recession and a persistently slow job market, and you've got both Houses of Congress and the White House so you can't blame the other party any more, and you're getting close to election season, there's one tried and true method that dates back at least to the 1830's. BLAME DARKIE!

BTW, you remembered the last time that assinine DHS alert thing was raised to orange, and then lowered to yellow? You know why it was lowered back? Not because of a change in the supposed threat level, but because state and local law enforcement said we don't have the funds to pay for the OT to do all the crap you tell us we have to do, so you pay us, or we don't do it. DHS lowered the alert level back to it's normal yellow state and hasn't raised it since, to avoid further embarassing themselves.

Remember 55 mph speed limits on the rural interstates? Another coerced mandate from the Feds, to force states to pass 55 mph speed limit laws, or lose Federal funds for highway projects (paid for by Federal taxes on gasoline, so paid by the taxpayers of every state).

	27-09-2003 10:21									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc That's been dead for quite awhile.

Since about April of '65 or so.

	27-09-2003 10:27									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www Well a lot of people here in California would like to see the immigration laws enforced.

Until they see all the over the table higher paying jobs from ag disappear because you can't fill the bottom end fieldhand jobs. If those disappear, there's no reason to keep all the transport, food processing, and warehousing jobs, let alone the machinery, dry goods, inspection, and other secondary ag sector jobs that drive most of inland California's economy.

Then again, killing off California's ag sector will free up a lot of water so that developers can irrigate more desert and build more 100 mile commute gated golf course bedroom communities. Never mind those inland valley types, Barstow to LA commutes are where it's at, baby.

Just a more up to date version of LADWP ****ing over the Owens Valley and others.