28-09-2003 18:53									#31
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vondrack - you are hereby appointed for Apolyton Sainthood.

I do read the turn reports - and as I unfortunately could not be at the chat last night (had a stage show to go to - Chicago - and other than the one absolutely drop dead gorgeous dancer in the cast - I would have preferred to be at the chat ) - the first thing I did this morning - oh second - pbems come first - was to fire up your turn report.

That being said, there has to be an easier way. For instance - as a number of folks above have said, I refer to the map, and then load the save.

I never refer to what worker is working what tile, or any of the worker moves. I expect that could be dropped.

As to unit movements, unless we are at war, I am not even hung up on those.

I love the blow by blow description during the war turns - as per yesterday.

And city builds.

I suspect an abbreviated set of notes by the consuls may work here and alleviate the time demand. And as you know, it is only going to get worse.

	28-09-2003 19:13									#32
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Hmmm - now- after having read the kerfuffle in yesterday's chat, maybe I was better off with Chicago and the blonde with the phenomenal legs.

	28-09-2003 19:45									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Hmmm - now- after having read the kerfuffle in yesterday's chat, maybe I was better off with Chicago and the blonde with the phenomenal legs.

You just might be right about that.

	28-09-2003 21:00									#34
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I would, once again, want to repeat that I by no means meant to demand anything of our Consuls - having been one of them, I very well know what it takes to be one and how much they have to attend to. Especially when nye is occupied with unfortunate RL events and MWIA handicapped by his location...

I was just pointing out the things that make it difficult to put together a full turn report...

To respond to those that suggest dropping this or that... I am torn on the issue. Basically, the way the reports work at this moment is that if you load the save and do everything as decribed in the turn report, you get EXACTLY how the game looks at the end of our turn and you can use it to check (for improvements to) the official plans - if you care to, of course... Once I omit the WF assignments... or worker jobs... or "simple" unit moves... or whatever else, you will mostly have to give up and trust in those that HAVE this kind of information that they will plan for the best. The purpose of the turn reports is to make everybody able to participate instead of just passively watch.

Perhaps very little people actually use the reports for this purpose... perhaps nobody...? But still, there is the possibility, which is why I still keep doing them. Once I quit, there will be no reports at all, as I consider "abbreviated" reports worthless (you can simply read through the turn thread to get the "feel", you do not need any report for that).

That said, I will admit that at times, turn reports may lag behind - defying their very purpose. But you know how RL works... sometimes I just do not have that damn hour or two to put everything together.

	28-09-2003 22:26									#35
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VonD: I use them! thanks.

	28-09-2003 23:00									#36
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Definitely, I thought we were already doing the notepad idea. I guess not. I used to use this when I myself ran turnchats. You document EVERYTHING and in the exact order you did it.

It really isn't too difficult to do. You just ALT-TAB to notepad and paste/type the order you just followed.

Besides, the fact that it will make you job much easier is also a plus as well.

	29-09-2003 00:20									#37
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I usually use it for the map, and for occasionally just checking out one or two things.

However, the truth is that I don't use it THAT often to consider it "vital". I guess perhaps the ministers and consuls find the information indispensable but I'm so sure how much regular posters do.

Frankly, I think we should be honest about this, if it's really worth for such a valuable member like Vondrack to be spending 2 hours of his time doing this. As our army and cities grow, our reports will grow bigger and bigger, perhaps it was good at first but might represent too much an investment of time to be worth it by now.

And I would much rather see vond more active in the chats and in the discussions than doing this, just like the good ol' days (fyi, vondrack was the first person I had a conversation with when I started joining the chats, I still have that logged, his presence is truly missed )

	01-10-2003 19:05									#38
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I don't use them much but the gif minimap (with no compression/smudging) is essential for my maps.

	01-10-2003 19:08									#39
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BTW since I was actually playing this last save, the log of events posted was done in Notepad after every step. It should all be there and it has been checked once over by me, the MoI stuff by at least two or three. Hope this cuts down on inaccuracies.

	05-02-2004 18:32									#40
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Well, it's a bit sad to announce this, but I feel I have to do so... The hectic pre-Christmas time strapped me of so much time that I had to prioritize a lot, postponing, besides other things, turn reports "for later". I honestly believed I would do them once Christmas and the end of the year would be over. Unfortunately, many things that were supposed to be finished in 2003, sorta spilt over to 2004... and today, I have finally realized and admitted I am not going to make it.

I've finally gotten to having some extra free time again, but with the PtWDG speeding up rapidly after the end of The Great Bobian War, new business projects and some major things happening in my RL, I no longer see myself able to catch up and continue doing the turn reports as I used to until last Christmas.

Besides, the turn "logs" posted by the Consuls have gotten so detailed and well structured over the time, that most of what I'd be doing would be just combing them a wee bit, reformatting, and doing different pictures. It seems to me that our members are able to keep up using the consuls' reports instead of my ones quite well.

So - my apologies, but the turn report thread is not going to receive any new additions unless someone else decides to take over (in which case I am ready to provide all my tools, templates, and expertise to make it as easy as possible for him/her).

Thank you for your understanding.

	05-02-2004 18:43									#41
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Vond, can you upload your spreadsheet and a "tutorial" for it's use. I'm sure that we will have someone who is willing to take over keeping track of that information for you.

E_T