24-11-2003 20:46									#91
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That's OK with me then.

	24-11-2003 20:55									#92
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You should have plenty of space. You have the English across the channel and would be allowed to raze any city they build in the continent, and you have the Cordovan AI to the south, with 2 puny cities. I don't think they will expand too much for you to be a disadvantage.

I have the Danes to my north very close, but they're a human player. The Rus is far to the east and not a danger. If they plopp a city before my nose, I just will raze it, so I get rid of the problem without growing at the AI's expense.

That's what I mean.

What do the other players say to this rule?

	24-11-2003 21:27									#93
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So we cannot take AI cities but need to raze them if we want to expand? I don't know my position since I haven't played this scenario but isn't that a bit harsh?

I guess if we all agree to this rule it will be ok but it will also confer an advantage to certain civs due to their position anyway.

	24-11-2003 21:40									#94
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AIs are generally a problem in MP games due to their weakness. I remember a game with 4 human players and 3 AIs on a continent. One human player had 2 AIs as neighbors, took their cities in the early game and ended up as the #1 power, having the space reserved for three civs. 2 of the players had the other AI as neighbor and took it, gaining at least half the space for the civs. I had no AIs as neighbor and had to kill one of the human civs to stay halfway competitive. Here one player (with 2 AIs as neighbor, separated by a big jungle) had clearly a huge advantage over the other three. He ended up with half of the continent for himself and had only to build a third of the cities he owned in the end.

This is why I'm generally strongly against AIs in any MP game (well, that and their stupid behavior to whore maps and techs). As I saw, that Anatolia set it up with AIs, my first thought was - I'm out here. But the scenario is fun and it may be worth to make a compromise.

So is it such a problem to be fair towards the other players and to leave the AI corelands where they are, i.e. not to attack them but merely defend, and raze (not take) only cities they build in front of your nose? Since civs are thinned out (no Burgundy, no Poland etc), everyone has plenty of space.

	24-11-2003 21:41									#95
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I have no problem with not keeping AI's cities and razing them instead. However this should only apply to AI cities that the AI starts with or founds. If they capture a human players city the human player should be allowed to liberate it.

	24-11-2003 21:46									#96
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb If they capture a human players city the human player should be allowed to liberate it.

Yes of course. That's what I mean by "defend". We should try to keep the AIs in the game and let their core (what they own at the start, visible in the scenario) untouched.

	24-11-2003 23:52									#97
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I make no promise that I won't raze an AI starting city or two. But I won't wipe out much of them. I might even give a few back if their nice about it.

	25-11-2003 01:01									#98
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I have sent the turn to SirOsis but it doesn't include Feephi with the Corovans. Are we restarting or not?

	25-11-2003 01:19									#99
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I vote yes. And may be Uber KruX joins too.

	25-11-2003 01:31									#100
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I won't take the turn. Let's wait for Feephi and Uber.

	25-11-2003 03:37									#101
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I never knew that the US military is so desperate to take hundred year old farts like you, Ghengis. Happy Birthday, anyway! And... that genghis_khan is not your DL, just by accident, of course? Or is that your grand-grandson?

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	25-11-2003 05:51									#102
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WTF? genghis_khan has the same birthday as me?

I'm actually 34 today. I wonder if I registered at apoly several years ago and just forgot.............

	25-11-2003 07:52									#103
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I was waiting for Uber to say something before I started again. How long should we wait?
Happy birthday Ghengis. What are you doing to celebrate down in the swamps?

	25-11-2003 07:55									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Anatolia What are you doing to celebrate down in the swamps?

I had orange gator spice cake with tobasco on top.

	25-11-2003 07:57									#105
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Frog legs for dessert?

	25-11-2003 08:08									#106
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I wonder if I registered at apoly several years ago and just forgot.............

I registered November 11th, 1999 as yisuro. When the excitement of Civ2 wore off I stopped coming to Apolyton. A couple years later I returned but couldn't remember my password (and maybe the ID at the time) so I registered again as Anatolia. I'm trying to get my ID changed to Masuro (my Korean name) but the administrators won't respond to my requests Funny, it says yisuro has 0 posts. Maybe they get cancelled after a while?
Am I going to get in trouble for admitting to a DL?

	26-11-2003 10:52									#107
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I take it Uber is no longer interested. Shall I start the game again?

	26-11-2003 11:53									#108
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yes

	26-11-2003 16:01									#109
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Middle Ages, Take 2!

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	26-11-2003 22:48									#110
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634AD to Empress Ghengodora. I mean Basileus Ghengos Primos.

You should approach Ming for a name change if you're still interested, Anatolia. I'm sure he will respond.

	26-11-2003 23:52									#111
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We could attract Ming to this thread. Just mention no-cd cracks.

	27-11-2003 01:14									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Anatolia I registered November 11th, 1999 as yisuro. When the excitement of Civ2 wore off I stopped coming to Apolyton. A couple years later I returned but couldn't remember my password (and maybe the ID at the time) so I registered again as Anatolia. I'm trying to get my ID changed to Masuro (my Korean name) but the administrators won't respond to my requests Funny, it says yisuro has 0 posts. Maybe they get cancelled after a while? Am I going to get in trouble for admitting to a DL?

I had been trying to reach Ming about a name change all of last week and I received no reply. Then I sent the request to DanQ and the next day it was changed.

	27-11-2003 04:13									#113
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Funny, it was DanQ who never responded to me. I'll try Ming.

	27-11-2003 20:30									#114
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb WTF? genghis_khan has the same birthday as me? I'm actually 34 today. I wonder if I registered at apoly several years ago and just forgot.............

genghis_khan registered mere 2 weeks before you and stopped posting yet before GhengisFarb was registered. He has a very similar handle, he has the same birthday and even the same age. Looks very suspicious, no?

DL!

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But on a second thought, let's examine this a bit further, and look up, what the differences are. If we seek genghis_khan in the member list, we see, that he added to Apolytons base of wisdom with only 5 posts, while GenghisFarb ... well ... spammed a lot more. And the main difference is - their language. In this thread are all five of genghis_khan's posts. So unless you are very fluent in Spanish, you are above suspicion

	28-11-2003 04:21									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Masuro Funny, it was DanQ who never responded to me. I'll try Ming.

It worked!

	02-12-2003 02:48									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph while GenghisFarb ... well ... spammed a lot more.

quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph In this thread are all five of genghis_khan's posts. So unless you are very fluent in Spanish, you are above suspicion[/size]

Not only do I have multiple personalities, but one of them is fluent in a foreign language!

	02-12-2003 06:48									#117
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Sent to CerberusIV.

He he he. He's going to think I'm replying to a PBEM.........

	03-12-2003 00:47									#118
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to SirOsis

No, I'm not confused. One game turn received from GhengisFarb, three others sent to him.

	03-12-2003 03:00									#119
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turn sent

	03-12-2003 03:08									#120
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV to SirOsis No, I'm not confused. One game turn received from GhengisFarb, three others sent to him.

Aak! I don't want it back, and certainly not in triplicate.