28-09-2003 08:19									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed just as it's dishonest for left-wingers to believe that saddamn never had womd.

But only a raving lunatic would say that he never ever had them. After all, what did UNSCOM find?

It is absolutely honest to say he never had nuclear weapons, because he didn't.

He may have had a few chemical shells and assorted odds and ends before the start of the war, but nothing substantial.

Anyway, we on the left don't have to prove the non-existence of weapons of mass destruction, the American occupying forces seem to have done a dandy job.

Face it fascists, we were right and you were wrong, period.

	28-09-2003 08:21									#62
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still no wmd... still no stability...


it was wrong to go in... and it certainly isn't worth the hundreds of billions this is going to end up costing us... stupid Bush

	28-09-2003 08:25									#63
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Speaking of lunatics.

	28-09-2003 08:38									#65
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Speaking of lunatics.

Give it up, Sloww. If you keep holding out hope of WMD finds then you may end up in an even worse position.

If they find anything it will be papers, or other small time stuff, like old chemical shells. It's becoming increasingly clear that the reason Saddam fudged over inspections was basically so he could keep some level of deterrence against Iran (at whom the said weapons would most likely be deployed). Nevertheless, they all seem to be gone and, despite what people say, he couldn't just have got rid of them right before the war.

Think up some other justification.

	28-09-2003 09:01									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Sava still no wmd... still no stability... it was wrong to go in... and it certainly isn't worth the hundreds of billions this is going to end up costing us... stupid Bush

I'm going to say this, as a left-winger...I thought that Iraq DID was WoMD's prior to the war (tho' as Agathon says, nothing substanial) and I really had to do some serious thinking before deciding I was in favor of going into Iraq, IF it was done right. Whatever else, Saddam and his cronies are/were bastards who slaughtered Iranians, Kurds, and "enemies of the state". We on the Left seem to have forgotten our own position on Saddam (atl east, it seems so in the media)in the 80's and 90's, and there's plenty of leftist literature from that period pointing out the scum the Baathists are, and calling for their removal.

That said, my support is limited. I want actual success in Iraq, setting up a true democracy run by Iraqis and allowing them to run their country their way. But for some dumb-azz reason I allowed myself to hope even for a moment that Bush and his cronies would allow self-rule and not give oil/rebuilding contracts to all of the Republicans' donor list. Along with our "shoot from the hip" diplomacy vehmented at our allies- our ALLIES for God's sake- it's no wonder most of the world is skeptical of our intentions there.

Look, I'm still hopeful. But you right-wingers need to see how stupid supporting Bush is making you look. And if you continue to support a guy whose administration is best known for gaining power thu a coup de 'etat, lying to the American people, and rolling back our civil liberties for dubious (dubyaous?) reasons, well, then you get what you deserve.

	28-09-2003 09:43									#67
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quote: WTF is a missle, in your mind?

A delivery system.

quote: Ah, so you admit the americans bombarded bahgdad with weapons of mass destruction?

When you find the warehouses full of nuclear warheads, and the reprocessing plant, and the anthrax development lab, let me know, Sloww.

	28-09-2003 10:14									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Oh no! this will surely raise doubts about the amicability and peaceful nature of my good buddy Saddam.

	28-09-2003 10:38									#69
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So you Radical Liberal's contention is that Hussein was allowed under terms of the cease-fire to have SAM's ?

I give up on you worthless *******s.

	28-09-2003 10:44									#70
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand So you Radical Liberal's contention is that Hussein was allowed under terms of the cease-fire to have SAM's ? I give up on you worthless *******s.

So are you justifying the conflict based on Saddam having SAM's?

You're smarter than this, sloww.

	28-09-2003 11:00									#71
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quote: just as it's dishonest for left-wingers to believe that saddamn never had womd.

Well, when the inspectors left in '98 they said he had destroyed all of the WoMD.

quote: We on the Left seem to have forgotten our own position on Saddam

We aren't against getting rid of Saddam, it is the way the US is getting rid of Saddam.

I think it is funnyt that the conservatives try to justify the war by saying Saddam was a little bit out of bounds of the rules, yet this war is a blatant violation of international law. I am absolutely disgusted with politics in America.

	28-09-2003 11:17									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Theben So are you justifying the conflict based on Saddam having SAM's? You're smarter than this, sloww.

Theben, the bastard wasn't supposed to have weapons that had range.
He was supposed to document, and prove he destroyed.
He killed thousands of his countrymen when Bush Sr. kissed the U.N.'s ass.
All that justifys, and all has been said time and time again.
Get over it. Ready yourself to protest the next rogue that gets *****slapped.

	28-09-2003 11:17									#73
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod We aren't against getting rid of Saddam, it is the way the US is getting rid of Saddam.

Which is why I edited my post to say "at least in seems in the media". I don't recall any left-of-center person trotted out in front of the microphones saying anything along these lines.

	28-09-2003 11:21									#74
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I missed that by Johnny.
How true. 12 years to accomplish the task was asking too much.
Jackasses.

	28-09-2003 11:30									#75
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Theben, the bastard wasn't supposed to have weapons that had range. He was supposed to document, and prove he destroyed. He killed thousands of his countrymen when Bush Sr. kissed the U.N.'s ass.

The 1st 2 points are extremely weak reasons for intervening in a foreign nation's affairs. The last point is valid, but 1) why in Iraq, and not other nations who percecute their citizens; and 2) why now, and not anytime earlier? We've known since at least 1968 that the Ba'athists were scum.

quote: All that justifys, and all has been said time and time again.

After it became unlikely that WoMDs would be found.

quote: Get over it. Ready yourself to protest the next rogue that gets *****slapped.

Only if we or anyone else goes off about it as half-cocked as this administration.

	28-09-2003 11:51									#76
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WMD or no WMD, it makes no difference. Saddam was/is a jackass, why do people insist on creating a pissing contest out of something that everyone in their right minds realize had to be done. It may have taken longer than it should have, but Saddam needed to go. Now, he's gone so let's quit *****ing, and move on with creating a new government for a new Iraq.

	28-09-2003 12:57									#77
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Saddam did nothing wrong (aside from tyring to assassinate presdient bush).

	28-09-2003 13:04									#78
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quote: Originally posted by TCO I know you wimps really wanted us to lose during the sandstorm and the "Stalingrad face-off".

A couple of points to this troll:

First, just because I am not a hyper-patriot does mean that I am a Saddam lover -- it just means that I am capable of objectively looking at my government's wartime policies.

Second, just because I can objectively look at my government's wartime policies, does not mean that I want my country to lose just to prove my point.

	28-09-2003 13:08									#79
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some people just can't admit the war was handled badly.

Yes I know I supported the war. But that was on the assumption that Bush wouldn't **** things up as usual. I miscalculated Bush's ineptness.

Easily the worst president ever. He's not even a conservative! That dickhead wouldn't cut spending. What good is cutting taxes without cutting spending? ****ing *******.

We should have never attacked Iraq with Bush as president. Maybe another president could have done a better job. We should have waited a few years before attacking Iraq.

	28-09-2003 13:12									#80
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun First, just because I am not a hyper-patriot does mean that I am a Saddam lover -- it just means that I am capable of objectively looking at my government's wartime policies.

I thought that was the definition of a saddam lover.

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	28-09-2003 13:42									#83
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quote: just because I am not a hyper-patriot does mean that I am a Saddam lover

	28-09-2003 13:47									#84
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That's sig material, Berz.

Mr. Fun admitting that he is a Saddam Lover.

	28-09-2003 14:47									#85
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What next, will Slow et. a. start gloating when it becomes clear that several of Saddam's soldiers may have been armed with guns? Does this newstory provide any surprising information whatsoever?

	28-09-2003 14:49									#86
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Does the US Administration pay you to be their poster child Sloww or is this a free lance type thing?

	28-09-2003 14:49									#87
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Are you implying those Iraqis should be allowed to shoot back with real ammo in combat? Shock!!!

	28-09-2003 18:08									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld I wasn't amazed that it couldn't be done. I was amazed that you shrugged off blowing up hostpitals full of civilians and basically said "**** happens". But I don't see what this has to do with anything, anyways.

Wrong. You said, how come we can't make every bomb hit a target since they are all space-age and stuff. I remember.

	28-09-2003 18:10									#89
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quote: Originally posted by TCO Wrong. You said, how come we can't make every bomb hit a target since they are all space-age and stuff. I remember.

Yes. The military talks about how precise they're bombs are. how all-knowing and infallible their intelligence is. How they can, as I said, see the logo on a golf ball from a satallite. But can still blow up a red cross hostpital and not give a damn.

	28-09-2003 18:13									#90
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun A couple of points to this troll: First, just because I am not a hyper-patriot does mean that I am a Saddam lover -- it just means that I am capable of objectively looking at my government's wartime policies. Second, just because I can objectively look at my government's wartime policies, does not mean that I want my country to lose just to prove my point.

I don't think you are. This is addressed more to Roland who showed his true cards when he said he wanted to eat chips while watching the muslims and US kill each other. Who said that we had a Stalingrad when we had a 3 day delay. Who was confident that WOMD would be fabricated by US forces (or found in actuality). Who obsesses about a country he has never visited. Who sees everything in a little-brother mindset of jealousy.