29-09-2003 23:41									#1
	You guys here play with the expansion? Increase the size of your Attachments

Teh message subject pretty much asks the intended question... and if you guys do play with the SMAC expansion, does anyone know where it can be found?

Thanks,

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	30-09-2003 00:34									#2
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I'd think the majority has the expansion. It's not easy to find legally, the best possibility might be Ebay. Note that the Planetary Pack, which is what I have, includes both the original SMAC and Alien Crossfire. The expansion can also be gotten as abandonware, though I haven't tested its functionality.

	30-09-2003 01:21									#3
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Yes. It's well worth it, in my opinion.

	30-09-2003 03:19									#4
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Yes, but on ebay it will cost you about $70 or somethng silly. There's a site that we cannot mention, that has it as abandonware to download, which is fully functionable.

-Jam

	01-10-2003 03:32									#5
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I thought we could mention the site, just not where the site was?

C

	01-10-2003 04:58									#6
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So why can't you get it legally?

Does anyone know who owns the rights to the game?

Does anyone know why it is no longer for sale?

It seems strange that SMAC is still available for sale but SMAX is not.


Mead

	02-10-2003 13:58									#7
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I HAVE SMAC-X... it came for cheap money in a combined package.... SMAC and Alien Crossfire...

I never play SMAC-X though, the standard SMAC with all updates usually suffices...

	02-10-2003 17:28									#8
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I think Firaxis have the rights, but thes simply don't produce it anymore. Who KNOWS why?

-Jam

	02-10-2003 17:35									#9
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I'm sure you can get a copy in your local store...

	02-10-2003 18:10									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski There's a site that we cannot mention, that has it as abandonware to download, which is fully functionable.

That site which Tassadar did not mention in our rec commons?

	02-10-2003 18:34									#11
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Jamski, can you send us a PM?

	02-10-2003 19:50									#12
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SMAX is a little beyond the grey area of abandonware. Firaxis is definitely still in business, and and pretty clearly has not released it into the public domain.

I dont know why they havent released a shovelware version - anyone have any idea why? Anyone ever ask them? There was talk of a petition some time back - did it go anywhere?

	02-10-2003 22:31									#13
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Firaxis is not selling SMAX. All remaining copies of SMAX have been purchased, apparently, so the retailers are not selling SMAX. Therefore, getting SMAX for free deprives Firaxis and retailers of nothing at all. Whether or not this is legally piracy, it's unambiguously just.

	02-10-2003 22:57									#14
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If a farmer decides he doesn't want to sell his corn, then its ok to steal it from him?

Not saying I wouldn't, but its still stealing.

	02-10-2003 23:43									#15
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If a boyfriend spends all his time in front of the computer playing SMAX, is it okay for the girlfriend to play away from home?

Not that that's going to happen, or has happened, or in fact is happening right now...

	03-10-2003 01:57									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory Firaxis is not selling SMAX. All remaining copies of SMAX have been purchased, apparently, so the retailers are not selling SMAX. Therefore, getting SMAX for free deprives Firaxis and retailers of nothing at all. Whether or not this is legally piracy, it's unambiguously just.

1. they may be planning to release SMAX in the future
2.They may somehow have decided that SMAX somehow competes with other Firaxis products
3. they may be planning on releasing a SMAC 2 in the future
4. They may have decided SMAX is an embarrassment.
5. They may be contemplating selling the rights to SMAX.

Whatever.

	03-10-2003 02:05									#17
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I purchased SMAX via Amazon.com, it was a good bargain, although I think it becomes really good only editing the faction's profiles; Planet Cult and the Consciousness are just shamefully weak

	03-10-2003 02:41									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit I purchased SMAX via Amazon.com, it was a good bargain, although I think it becomes really good only editing the faction's profiles; Planet Cult and the Consciousness are just shamefully weak

The Cybernetic Consciousness in the Alpha Centauri Democracy Team Game might differ with you. Although I have to say that I personally like easy pop booming.

	03-10-2003 03:26									#19
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Ask Hercules if the Consciousness are weak. I'm using them against him in a head to head game.

	03-10-2003 04:52									#20
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I'll vouch of the consciousness as well. They are not a weak faction

	03-10-2003 07:14									#21
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Indeed, we most certainly are not!

	03-10-2003 09:03									#22
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Just for the record, sigs are supposed to be no longer than 4 lines.

You know who you are.

	03-10-2003 10:05									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba If a farmer decides he doesn't want to sell his corn, then its ok to steal it from him?

If there are people starving right outside his farm and he isn't EVER going to use the corn, then...

	03-10-2003 19:47									#24
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AFAIK, in societies which aren't ruined by combining the negative sides of socialism and capitalism anyone who cannot buy what he/she needs immediately for survival may steal it. (E. g. if you're hungry, don't have money and cannot get it in reasonable time, you may steal food and eat it immediately without being punished).

OK. it's different with games, but I guess Firaxis sees SMAX as a too strong competition to Civ3. This reasoning still doesn't work IMO, but every other reason not to sell SMAX seems weaker.

	03-10-2003 20:24									#25
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Well personally I consider the UoP, Pirates and Hive stronger factions than the Consciousness - the faction I'm member of in the ACDG - but I guess that's just my personal playing style.

	03-10-2003 20:39									#26
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I would agree that they certainly aren't the strongest faction, but please don't classify them in the same category as the Cult.

	03-10-2003 22:32									#27
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Indeed, you're right guys

	04-10-2003 00:10									#28
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Anun Ik Oba: Here is the crucial difference between all piracy and conventional theft. When you copy computer files, the source files still exist. If I could somehow "copy" the farmer's corn rather than deprive him of it, would you object? By copying a game, you do not deprive anyone of anything that already exists, though if it is being sold you deprive its creators of money to which they are entitled.

LotM:
1. Possible, but very unlikely since they've had the opportunity for years and haven't taken it. Copies were available for sale as late as August 2002 (when I got mine), so there was a substantial delay between when they stopped making the game and when the retailers ran dry. Even so, should they re-release SMAX, there will still be a small market of new SMAC addicts.
2. Tough.
3. In that case, spreading SMAX would boost their recognition and aid their sales of SMAC 2
4. Tough.
5. The source code has its own value which is undiminished by piracy, but any value related to selling games falls under point 1.

	04-10-2003 02:19									#29
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quote: Just for the record, sigs are supposed to be no longer than 4 lines

So sue me

	04-10-2003 05:30									#30
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4 lines means 4 "ENTER" inputs.

It doesn't actually seem to mean 4 lines.

Not that I'd have any personal stake in this argument whatsoever