01-10-2003 20:03									#1
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War! age of imperialism is about to be released, and some time soon we'll get Crusader Kings and Victoria from Paradox. And Rome Total War.

It will soon be getting to the point where we can compare different ways of modeling the same historical period.

Early modern> EU2 vs Imperialism 2
Industrial age>Imperialism vs Victoria vs War!Age of Imperialism
Medieval>Medieval Total War vs Crusader Kings

	01-10-2003 21:48									#2
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Hmm, I think you'll end up comparing genres rather than modelling techniques.

	02-10-2003 07:31									#3
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Hmm, I think you'll end up comparing genres rather than modelling techniques.

I guess i meant models in the very broad sense.

Yeah at this point its RTS vs TBS vs TBS/RTS - still that could raise interesting points. And i think some questions (number of provinces, tech trees, political models, etc) will transcend the pausable real time versus turnbased distinction.

I mean in the way that one can discuss that SMG has facings and morale, without reference to the fact that its real time.

	02-10-2003 23:54									#5
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It's easy:
EU2 wins over Imperalism 2
Victoria wins over W!AoI
CK wins over M:TW

	03-10-2003 18:18									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai It's easy: EU2 wins over Imperalism 2 Victoria wins over W!AoI CK wins over M:TW

well two of your choices havent even come out yet, so that shows a LOT of faith in Paradox

	03-10-2003 18:19									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai It's easy: EU2 wins over Imperalism 2 Victoria wins over W!AoI CK wins over M:TW

well i hadnt meant for this thread to become the comparison thread, but as long as youve started:

Care to go into more detail on EU2 vs Imp2?
(Im definitely planning on buying EU2 anyway)

	03-10-2003 19:08									#8
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Well, I'm afraid it's more of a personal taste than actual good arguments. I like EU2 very much(I see it as one of the best games ever made), and I didn't like Imperialism 1. After what I've read about it, it won't be anything like EU2. Yes, I know this isn't very good arguments, but as mentioned, I really don't have any better. Others may be free to come with better arguments though... If it is anything specific you want to know, I might be of better use.

	03-10-2003 19:35									#9
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Imperialism 2 is a pretty old game, isn't it?

	03-10-2003 21:35									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Imperialism 2 is a pretty old game, isn't it?

1999, IIRC.

Nikolai may be getting imperialism 2 confused with War! age of imperialism (due for release any day now?), from a different designer and publisher then the imperialisms, but confusingly covers the same period as the original imperialism, (also the period of Victoria) and is turn based like the imperialisms.

Couldnt they have come up with a more original title? I'll give this to Paradox, they certainly come up with distinctive titles.

	03-10-2003 22:27									#11
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War! age of imperialism is a board game conversion, I believe.

	03-10-2003 22:29									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld War! age of imperialism is a board game conversion, I believe.

ergo they couldnt change the name?

	03-10-2003 22:31									#13
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Yes, and it's probably not even in the same class as games like Victoria and Total War.

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Yes, and it's probably not even in the same class as games like Victoria and Total War.

pardon, but isnt Vickie based on the EU engine, which in turn was adapted from a board game? Or is this the difference between an adaption and a conversion?

	03-10-2003 22:38									#15
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark pardon, but isnt Vickie based on the EU engine, which in turn was adapted from a board game? Or is this the difference between an adaption and a conversion?

Was EU adapted from a board game? Must've been a damn good one.

But I think War! age of Imperialism is a pretty straight conversion, and I don't expect it to have any more complexity or depth then risk.

	03-10-2003 22:50									#16
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1st: EU2
2nd: Dunno
3rd: MTW (CK, what are you smoking Nikolai?)

	03-10-2003 23:05									#17
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oh and i might also have said

Rome Total war vs Legion
HOI vs Strategic Command

	04-10-2003 04:05									#18
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and possibly add Pax Romana although it seems to have taken so long i'm not convinced it will ever appear. The change of publisher may be a good thing (or then again...)

http://www.galilea.com/en/jeu_7_en.html