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Seeker is offline Seeker
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http://www.cbc.ca/artsCanada/stories/pubic011003

Another great reason to avoid paying as much tax as possible.

If only they gave you a sheet with all the government programs and your could write in what % of your money you wanted where. Say 20% education, 30% health, 10% science, 5% military, etc....

This kind of 'art' should get about 0%.

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Ohhh Canada...

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So that's about how much in American money, $3000? For a year's work? She certainly was the worse for that deal.

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i googled her.

her website is, ah, special.

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'a years work'

we're obviously not thinking of the same thing we we use the word 'work'.

Remember that she is also selling these things for 100s to 1000s of dollars each why not just do that instead of taking 0.000000001% of my money against my wishes?

Does she really need our unwilling contribution if she thinks there are people out there willing to pay her 3 grand for her public hair knitted into a scarf?

I say more power to her if she is that much of a saleswoman, but DON'T TOUCH OUR PUBLIC MONEY when there are so many more pressing problems.

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:barf:

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An exhibit by artist Aliza Amihude, which features jewelry made from her own pubic hair, is set to open Thursday night.


5000 would pay for my tuition, and a substantial proportion of my rent! I never knew people paid that much for pubic hair.

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People like this need to find a real job in the real world instead of collecting trash and other crap and calling it art.

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I never understood why nations have NEA programs and give money to fools like this...

I got an idea!

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I wonder what good do these programs serve a country? All that happens is that werid people like this take advantage of it and do this sort of thing and try to call it art.

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what, you're gonna can your **** and ask the government to buy it?

I think we should all do that in Canada, mail it in with price tags as a protest until they stop funding such ill-concieved, uninspired shock junk.

I will remember this, and 'Voice of Fire', and the urine, and the ****, and 'Quebec Rock Line' (pile of rocks in a room 100k) everytime I hear someone talking about how underfunded something is, or I see a graph showing municipal taxes going up as a result of 'downloading'.

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Yeah, because all of the NEA money goes for things like this and never goes to put on large shows of important work, like say, the colection of Romere Beardin's work going on in D.C. riht now.

You all get your panties in a twist over the little **** and let the big **** get ignored. Such useful pawns you are.

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the point is that ANY of it goes there.

And yes there are many other issues of waste but this one is particularly galling and sensational, and I believe that we can remember more than one issue at a time.

The big tax waste issues are well-known: HRDC waste, Gun Registry waste, Chretiens wining and dining of his business friends, the fiasco of downloading basically all social spending onto municipalities to artificially 'balance' the budget in Ontario, etc etc etc....

....it's not that taxpayers forget those issues it's that these things are just the coup de grace, the 'not-only-will-we-slap-you-in-face, here's-a-knee-in-the-balls-to-go-with-it'.

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Yeah, because all of the NEA money goes for things like this and never goes to put on large shows of important work, like say, the colection of Romere Beardin's work going on in D.C. riht now.

You all get your panties in a twist over the little **** and let the big **** get ignored. Such useful pawns you are.


Tax payers have every right to question were their tax money goes and what it is spent on. When people hear of stories like this in the news it make you wonder if such programs are worth it or a waste of money.

The government wastes so much money and everything is is very sad.

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Junk like this is why I don't believe public money should be spent on pop art. I'm all for spending public money to paint murals, build statues, and what not but only if they are the type which isn't to far out there. The National Endowment for the Arts here in the US just loves to create anti-Christian "art" like the famous Virgin Mary painted in elephant dung or making a cross out of dog ****. I really feel it is unfair to religious people to have to subsidize this crap (literally) which is so obviously meant to slander their faith.

If people want pop art then fine; let them make it and sell it without government subsidies.

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The Mary painting wasn't sacrilegious. Neither was Piss Christ. It's just no one took the time to understand what their meanings were.

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You all get your panties in a twist over the little **** and let the big **** get ignored.


Ever hear of the expression, take care of the pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves?

Just because this woman got only 5K does not mean that we should fund her work.

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The Mary painting wasn't sacrilegious. Neither was Piss Christ. It's just no one took the time to understand what their meanings were.


Che, how do you think the people who actually believe in Christ or Mary feel about such art? They are the only ones who are qualified to gage whether such art is sacrilegious.

Secondly, suppose one put Muhammed, or Buddha in one of those works of 'art'? Would they be considered the same as if they used Christ or Mary?

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What if I scuplted a bust of Castro out human escriment, and then lit it on fire... Would that be art?

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LOL Che.....your heart is good...but how can you possibly defend this kind of nonsense? Isn't it the worst kind of elitism and snobbery?

I, and I think a great many people, don't agree with the professors and critical theorists and avant garde.

There IS something special and sacred and indefineable called Art, and it's important, and it's literally being pissed all over, at the Public expense.

That felt good...off my chest.

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It might be.

BK, in the case of the painting, using elephant dung in art is very common where that particular artist is from. He was translating Mary into his culture. But I guess that's insulting.

Piss Christ is about the commericalisation and vulgarization of Christianity. But I guess you're okay with that.

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Piss Christ is about the commericalisation and vulgarization of Christianity.


So Piss Christ was painted by a Christian endeavouring a return to more authentic faith?

I don't buy it.

Again, would we ever see Muhammed or Buddha portrayed in such a way?

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He was translating Mary into his culture.


Any evidence of this?

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It might be.

BK, in the case of the painting, using elephant dung in art is very common where that particular artist is from. He was translating Mary into his culture. But I guess that's insulting.

Piss Christ is about the commericalisation and vulgarization of Christianity. But I guess you're okay with that.


This is here in the United States, when you do something like this people, a lot of people, take offense to it no matter what their intentions were. If I went to anther country and something I did offended people of that culture, I would not do it while I was there as to not to insult people.

This America not that persons culture. So you are saying it is allright to do something offensive with your art as long as it is not offensive in your own culture you came from?

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Since when does any one group have a monopoly on what "culture" is in America?

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So Piss Christ was painted by a Christian endeavouring a return to more authentic faith?

I don't buy it.


That is your prerogative. He said he was offended by cheap plastic Jesuses.

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Any evidence of this?


Just the artist's word for it.

But hey, art is meant to be interpretted, so feel free to be insulted.

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He said he was offended by cheap plastic Jesuses.


We're not supposed to have anything like this, since it leads to idolatry. I fail to see how Piss Christ could possibly encourage anyone to have greater faith.

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Books ! = Paintings.

AFAIK, Rushdie has a point. Those verses in the Q'uran could have been inspired by Satan. This is the justification given by Muhammed for changing these words.

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Secondly, suppose one put Muhammed, or Buddha in one of those works of 'art'? Would they be considered the same as if they used Christ or Mary?


I truly believe the "artist" would be called a bigot or a racist. There is an ingrained anti-Christian bias amoung some portions of the intelligensia. They feel anything goes against the evil white Christians but all the other religions should be a hands off zone.

If the government is going to give subsidies then either every religion gets this crap or no religion gets this crap. I am of the mind that no persons religion should be treated so poorly.

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Please show me how one red cent of government money was used to subsidize that book. Also Rushdie made numerous valid points about the interpritations of the Koran the Iranian mullahs were making. He should exactly how and where their edicts were false and contradicted the mullahs and that is why the mullahs are still trying to kill him.

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to the NEA. Art is essentialy entertainment. I see no reason why we subsidize some people's entertainment, but not others.

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AFAIK, Rushdie has a point.


They all have points!!! That's what makes it art, not design. Liking it, agreeing with it, even understanding it, is not required. It conveys a message, which is often different to different people.

Let's try this from the other side. When I went to see Attack of the Clones, last year, I was sure (and still am) that the character that owned Adakin and his mother was a characture of a Jew (complete with Yssidic hat and curls and vest). Most everyone else said I was wrong, 'till Oswald pulled up an old Nazi depiction of "the Jew" and put it next to the Star Wars character. Interpretation, context, intent all flow together and are seen differently from different standpoints.

To you, Rushdie's work is art. To me, Piss Christ is art. To someone else, the Madonna piece is art.

I dno't know about thise pubic hairs and toe nail clippings. I'd have to see it.

 
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