01-10-2003 22:51									#1
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FYI to those who may be interested:

As you may know, there are 2 PtW Democracy games underway here at Apolyton (aside from the intersite Demogame between 'poly and other sites):

The second game was started as a more light-hearted game. The original is pretty intense.

I'm involved in both PTW Demogames. In the second one, my team ("Cake or Death?") is in need of more members. CoD is, like all of the PTW DemoII teams, based loosely on a theme. Ours is the comedy of Eddie Izzard, an English comedian/actor. Anyway, we currently have all of 2 active members, and as the game progresses, that just has to change. So anyone who is interested, please let me know.

I should also mention that the Gathering Storm (my PtW DemoI team) can also always use fresh blood. But it's Cake or Death? that really needs a transfusion.

The game is currently at 2430bc, if memory serves, so it's quite early (whereas the first demogame is into the AD years).

So, to any of you who might want to get in on the whole multi-player democracy game thing, here is your chance.

-Arrian

	02-10-2003 03:37									#2
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Can I join GS?

Seriously, demo games are fun, especially multiplayer ones. Participating in the ISDG and the PTWDG I have been incredible experiences. The PTWDG II has just started so any new member will not have too much "adjustment" difficulties.

Join! Join!

	02-10-2003 04:28									#3
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Team Monkey has 5 members with about 3 being active.

Join us, and teach these human subspecies who is truly the dominant race of the world.

PTWDG II Forum


Just send a PM to me if you want to join.

	02-10-2003 13:17									#4
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I haven't been in a democracy game. anyone want me?

	02-10-2003 15:02									#5
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Thanks for making this thread Arrian.

	02-10-2003 15:17									#6
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Do you want to join, FP?

	02-10-2003 15:22									#7
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* FrustratedPoet is already the brave and fearless leader of the team that Arrian is on.

	02-10-2003 15:27									#8
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Sorry, didn't know. Can I join?

	02-10-2003 15:31									#9
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Ecthy:

quote: In the second one, my team ("Cake or Death?") is in need of more members. CoD is, like all of the PTW DemoII teams, based loosely on a theme. Ours is the comedy of Eddie Izzard, an English comedian/actor.

If you've heard of and like the comedian in question then yes, otherwise you'd probably be better off finding another team. There are several others with different themes that you might find appealing.
Starting a thread in this forum would be the best way for you to find a team I think: http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdis...?s=&forumid=199

	02-10-2003 15:39									#10
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Arrian,
I understand it is a PBEM game, therefore, before I committ myself, I'd like to know how you play it exactly, turn-wise and time-wise?

I might face two problems:
1. Interenet connections in Switzerland are (still) expensive. I can get a 24/h 7/7 package for a lump sum, but since it's much more expensive, i'd like to know if it's worth it.
2. For family, professional and time-lag reasons, I cannot get a save, play a round, send it to everybody, wait for their play etc. (if it'played this way).

Oh Dark Master, I beg you to enlighten me.

	02-10-2003 16:02									#11
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Everything you ever wanted to know about Democracy Games: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=81684

That's the FAQ for the singleplayer democracy game, but many of the same principles apply. You don't have to be able to actually physically the play the game in order to join a team (but it wouldn't hurt). All it requires is that you log onto Apolyton and post your opinions and suggestions in the team's forum based on reports and screenshots that others have posted.

	02-10-2003 16:03									#12
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Oh and don't worry if you can't contribute a lot, as long as you're willing to contribute something and are able to check the forum and make a few posts a couple of times a week then most teams will be very happy.

	02-10-2003 16:04									#13
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Each team has one (or more, depending on how the team is organised) designated player. That player receives the save from another team, plays it and sends it on to the next team. I'm in both games, but can't get involved in the actual playing of the game. But there is plenty of discussion about what to do with the turn, developing plans, getting involved in diplomacy. One of the strong features of PTWDGs is the fact that even players who have very little time to get involved and can't play the turns themselves can still make useful contributions to the team. All my involvement is done in brief moments at work when I have time to read the private forum, see what is going on, and possibly make some comments or add some ideas.

So I'd say if you're at all interested, join a team. The worst that can happen is that you occasionally read the forum and never post anything.

	02-10-2003 16:14									#14
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I think I'd rather find another team :/

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Ecthelion - try Team Monkey. Konquest02, Hot_Enamel, myself and our Simian friends. Join the zoo.

Actually, the Carthaginians.

	02-10-2003 17:37									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Mountain Sage Arrian, I understand it is a PBEM game, therefore, before I committ myself, I'd like to know how you play it exactly, turn-wise and time-wise? I might face two problems: 1. Interenet connections in Switzerland are (still) expensive. I can get a 24/h 7/7 package for a lump sum, but since it's much more expensive, i'd like to know if it's worth it. 2. For family, professional and time-lag reasons, I cannot get a save, play a round, send it to everybody, wait for their play etc. (if it'played this way). Oh Dark Master, I beg you to enlighten me.

I'll second what FP said. Don't worry about having to be there to play each turn etc. What most teams need are ideas and input, discussion and debate. MS, you would be a great addition to any team.

Team Monkey in the PTWDGII would welcome you, as would Vox Controli in the PTWDG. Although I have to warn you regarding the latter - we are in a re-building mode.

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the zoo?

	02-10-2003 18:46									#18
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Ah well,

You convinced me to give it a try...

Why don't you discuss between your teams who would like to have me? (and take me by the hand the first time to explain what to do and what not to do).
I'll try to adapt.
Of course, my preferences are, in listed order:
1. A PP team.
2. A PUP team.
3. A warmonger team, but only after having launched the spaceship (just to conquer the galaxy, that is).
4. A 'UN team', fighting only for preserving its empire and style of life.
5. A very light warmonger team, doing occasionnally short 'police patrols'.
6. Any other warmonger team, but beware of my heretical views.

	02-10-2003 18:52									#19
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What do PP and PUP mean?

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I think I can answer that:

PP = "Perfect Peacenick"
PUP = "Pragmatic Ultimate Power" (which, IMO, is sort of an oxymoron. MS does quite well playing the way he does, but the whole point of Ultimate Power is, well, to have Ultimate power - shooting for the moon. Not pragmatism. But that's just semantics).

Given that CoD is playing as the English, and the game itself was set up to be lighthearted, I think we can safely say that we're playing pretty peacefully. I can't speak for the other teams, of course.

-Arrian

	02-10-2003 20:35									#21
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Thanks.

I would imagine that Team Sunshine are the perfect example of a PP team, no? Perhaps Mountain Sage would be happiest playing with them.

	02-10-2003 20:36									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I think I'd rather find another team :/

I`m sure you`ve already heard of a monkey....?

--Kon--

	02-10-2003 20:46									#23
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FP is right, of course, SunShine is the PP team.

BUT I'M TRYING TO RECRUIT FOR US!!!

Our problem may be the relative obscurity of Eddie.

-Arrian

	02-10-2003 20:54									#24
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You may have a point there, but we've got no shortage of people signed up to the team. A lack of motivated members is our problem more than a lack of people who like Eddie's comedy.

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The hot stud lady-killers of Team Latin Lover is open for recruits too. However, our forum is in spanish and we have a pretty active forum so you guys are best with other teams I guess. However, the invitation is always open.

	03-10-2003 16:14									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian I think I can answer that: PP = "Perfect Peacenick" PUP = "Pragmatic Ultimate Power" (which, IMO, is sort of an oxymoron. MS does quite well playing the way he does, but the whole point of Ultimate Power is, well, to have Ultimate power - shooting for the moon. Not pragmatism. But that's just semantics). -Arrian

It's not just semantics. Please read your classics again:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=85124

And let me know which team still wants me in

	03-10-2003 16:48									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Mountain Sage And let me know which team still wants me in

Legoland does Oops, we are in the PtWDG I not II. Am I still alowed to advertise us here?

As you can see from our theme, we are the builders' team. You can call us a PP team, but in this case it would mean "Pragmatic Peacenick"

We are going to win with a spaceship launch

	03-10-2003 17:33									#28
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I wonder, Tiberius, if that game will end with the "barbarian" nations of Bob and Stormia desperately trying to invade Legoland to stop the launch. Now that would be funny.

-Arrian

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It would, indeed.

	03-10-2003 18:34									#30
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MS - Team Monkey in the PTWDG2 would welcome you on our team. You would have H_E, Kon, and myself to guide you - but trust me - it ain't difficult.

The toughest thing will be choosing a simian species for yourself.

And Vox Controli in the PTWDG would welcome you as well, but as I stated earlier, we are more or less spectators at this point during our re-building phase. The cost of a lost war.