02-10-2003 09:36									#1
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What should we build in Pi Square? This is straightforward.

	02-10-2003 18:33									#2
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Write-in: how about if we just start on a random item now, and switch to a 1-1-6 after we discover Doc:Ini? We will waste two or three minerals, but we'll have our first ship a bit earlier.

If not accepted, I would change my vote to a crawler.

	02-10-2003 19:53									#3
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i saw crawler

	02-10-2003 21:55									#4
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I think Maniacs suggestion is a very good one

some ships ASAP are more important than crawlers IMHO.

	02-10-2003 22:36									#5
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However I would favour a probe foil. We don't need 1-1-6 ships - wait until we have 4-1-6 ships If they see a military build up now we have a war on our hands before we want it.

It has been put as crawler ATM as what was leading in the polls.

	03-10-2003 00:48									#6
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That's fine, it can be easily switched.

Popular opinion (considering I haven't voted, but support this option) seems to be to begin constructing a naval unit quickly. Since a new poll isn't really necessary, I'll ask people to express their opinions here:

Which ship should we build?
Laser Cruiser (2-1-6) *to construct this would waste a couple of minerals during the switch, and must be prototyped (30 mins)
Synthmetal Cruiser (1-2-6) *same as above (30 mins)
Probe Foil (*-1-4) ** can be built immediately, but must be prototyped (80 mins)
Cruiser Probe (*-1-6) * (110 mins)

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probe foil...the only problem is IOD...

	03-10-2003 19:19									#8
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The popular opinion seems to be for a naval unit? We have 2 votes for naval and 2 for crawler

Personally I am against building any naval unit at the moment, and wait until we have impact cruisers and cruiser probes. I think building the probe first might be a little dangerous, because of IoDs. That we can build quickly, I would go for a 2-2-6, as that prototypes the cruiser chassis, laser weapons and synthmetal, and would be of some use for exploration, while not alarming PEACE too much. Also 110 mins is way to much for Pi Square to do ATM IMHO.

	03-10-2003 19:38									#9
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But I pointed out that I have not voted in the poll, and support the naval option. Thus the vote is 3 naval, 2 crawler.

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Point taken. Sorry

	03-10-2003 22:17									#11
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Go for the the cruiser probe.

	03-10-2003 23:20									#12
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I personally don't think the cruiser probe is a good idea... the prototype cost is very high. It also doesn't get any other useful prototypes out of the way, as any cruisers we build in the future will most likely have at least synthmetal and lasers.

If we build cruiser probes, we should probably wait until cruisers are already prototyped.

Just my thoughts.

	03-10-2003 23:24									#13
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Isn't it so that we don't have to prototype the probe cruiser because it is a predesigned unit? IIRC the Pirates are building a probe cruiser and it "only" costs 63 minerals (with +1 Industry), and not 110 minerals.

Anyway, personally I would prefer to build a 1-2-6. That way we have our first exploration ship much quicker than if we build a probe foil. We also prototype synthmetal armour. Prototyping laser weapons isn't really necessary since that weapon is prototyped automatically after we prototype impact gun.

	03-10-2003 23:34									#14
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If the cruiser probe doesn't require a prototype cost, like Maniac says, I'm stilll in favor of that one.

Otherwise, a 1-2-6 will do fine

	03-10-2003 23:55									#15
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I agree. If the probe doesn't need prototyping, then go for that. Is there a difference in cost between a 1-2-6 and a 2-2-6? If not, go for the 2-2-6. If there is a large difference, go 1-2-6. But personally, I think either a 0-1-1 probe as defense, and to prototype probes, is the best, if we need to prototype probes.

	04-10-2003 02:52									#16
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There is no difference in cost between 1-2-6 and 1-1-6, or 2-1-6 for that matter, but 2-2-6 costs 10 more minerals, raising the cost from 30 to 50.

	04-10-2003 04:59									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Corellion 2-2-6 costs 10 more minerals, raising the cost from 30 to 50.

I love your logic I know with prototyping it's more though.

In that case a 1-2-6 would be nice

	04-10-2003 09:55									#18
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I took it as an assumption you would all deduce the cause.

	05-10-2003 00:07									#19
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A well founded assumption. I just loved the way it was put

	05-10-2003 04:23									#20
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I voted for Probe Defence, but a cruiser/foil probe would be equally good.

	06-10-2003 05:30									#21
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cruiser probes vs. foil probes give those extra 2 movement points to escape IoD's (who can only move 4 tiles)

But once you get the MCC your foils will then have six, versus a cruiser's 8 movement points, so the advantage to cruisers then lies mainly in their ability to swoop in from longer range when in covert operations (well outside sensor range, at 8 tiles away)

G.