02-10-2003 20:24									#1
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Yeah, you read right! I am up to create a new scenario which will be some kind of alternate Post Cold War world situation.

Basic Information

After the collapse of the economies of the Western World the Soviet Union has won the Cold War. Democracy and Capitalism are retreating all over the world while Communism and Socialism is spreading all over the planet.

The collapse has rendered the United States´ sophisticated alliance system obsolete, NATO, the WTO and SEATO are no longer existing, the only remnant of former American power is a Security Treaty with Canada, forming some kind of North American Empire. Germany has been reunited under Soviet guidance while the People´s Republic of China has annexed Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and wants also the last remaining symbol of Western dominance, Hong Kong, back to challenge the Soviet Superpower though its alliance with the Kremlin. The rest of the former European Communities, France, the Benelux countries, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal and the United Kingdom have allied themselves with parts of the former British Commonwealth, South Africa, Asutralia and New Zealand to some kind of weak Western Confederacy which is trying to withstand the Soviet pressure. India itself is fihting a bloody civil war between Democrats and Red Insurgents all over the Indian sub-continent. The Red Revolution in Brazil only a few weeks after the collapse of the United States saw the proclamation of the Federal Socialist Republic of Brazil whose leader vows to reunite South America under the Red Banner.
Many other countries in Africa, Asia and Europe are remaining neutral, struggling with communist insurgencies and economic problems and there are also some nations left that also the Soviet Union considers as Rogue States.

Please check out this link to the CDG Civ2 Site for more information on the project and leave any ideas, suggestions, comments, etc either here at Apolyton or at the CDG forum.

Stay tuned!

	02-10-2003 21:20									#2
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Feel free to use any of my stuff, Jim!

	02-10-2003 22:16									#3
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I saw that episode of Sliders too

	02-10-2003 22:17									#4
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What about put in a Che-'liberated' Argentina, Cuba and maybe Peru and some other country to 'free' the rest of South America...

it could be interesting to have multiple fronts...

	02-10-2003 22:54									#5
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Where's that Ottoman scenario, Jim?
I've already lost track of the countless "what if" ww2/post ww2 scenarios, probably because they're all the same in graphics as well as playability.
It's time for ambitious projects to return to the scenario community!

	02-10-2003 23:45									#6
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I've got to agree with Valuk, Jim. Curt has done an excellent post-war alternative history scenario and there are dozens more in various stages of completion it seems. What will you do to make this any different?

Where are the Fall of Rome, or for that matter Rise of Rome scenarios? The conquests of Islam and the Ottomans, and their struggles against the Byzantines and Persians? How about the Habsburg-Valois conflicts, The Italian Wars, the six-day War, the Seven-Years War, Thirty-years War, 100-Years War? The English Civil War or the American Civil War? The Spanish War of Succession, the Austrian War of Succession? The Franco-Prussian, Franco-Austrian, Austro-Prussian Wars? The Boxer rebellion, the Indian Mutiny?

I'll shut up now in case you point out maybe I should get off my arse and do one of these myself

	03-10-2003 00:22									#7
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Hey, war mongers why does every civ2 scenario have to be about war?

	03-10-2003 00:23									#8
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Okay, don't answer that last question.......

	03-10-2003 00:36									#9
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Trouble is, these topics are not completely original:

quote: the Fall of Rome

I really enjoyed Mark Laanen's scenario about that topic.

quote: Rise of Rome

I think BeBro's can't be beaten

quote: The conquests of Islam and the Ottomans, and their struggles against the Byzantines and Persians

Aleksei Andrievski, Exile, Mathias Köster, Gabriele Quaglia, Maciej Czyz, Markus Eklund...

quote: 100-Years War

John Ellis, Gary Longo.

quote: the six-day War

Roi Yarom.

quote: Seven-Years War

Michael Jeszenka

quote: Thirty-years War

Jesús Muñoz.

quote: The English Civil War

Philipp Blanz

quote: American Civil War

Gary Longo, Michael Daumen.

quote: Franco-Prussian, Franco-Austrian, Austro-Prussian Wars

El Awrence

quote: The Spanish War of Succession

Prometeus ('Asiento').

quote: The Boxer rebellion

Allard Höfelt

But you're right, I'm getting tired of all these WW2/alternate XX Century scenarios.

	03-10-2003 01:47									#10
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@ all: Dudes, I like creating scenarios, no-one is going to force you to play them, ok?

@curt: Thank you, I will use some of your graphics!

	03-10-2003 02:02									#11
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My map was still horrid, jasev. I've considered making an update of Blood & Iron using Henrik's Wonderful Europae Map.

	03-10-2003 02:39									#12
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Please do!

	03-10-2003 02:49									#13
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Well the Indian mutiny thing had aroused my interest when i read an article about it a month ago in a Greek magazine.

Maybe in the distant future......

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quote: Originally posted by jim panse @ all: Dudes, I like creating scenarios, no-one is going to force you to play them, ok?

You are right, Steph . If you don't like it, don't download it! simple... (But of course I will do )

	03-10-2003 12:01									#15
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Jasev, what is the scen on the Boxer rebellion by Allard Höfelt???

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Boxer? S*it! I was reading/typing too fast and I didn't notice it. Allard created a scenario about the Boer War, not the Boxer War

(well, It's almost the same... China, South Africa... who cares? )

	03-10-2003 17:29									#17
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The Chinese and South Africans do.

	03-10-2003 19:04									#18
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And who cares about the chinese and south africans?

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I was just waiting for somebody to say it

BTW, I think We've made a good threadjack... sorry, Jim

	03-10-2003 23:02									#20
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I think the perfect WW2 scenario is still to be made.

2194, ZWK and many others have came close.
But that magic mix of graphics and gameplay are elusive.

But I know of one or two creators on CDG and Poly SL who are cooking up a few XX century surprises for the community.

I wanted to take a break from the world of the 1940s, that is why I am working on Bitterfrost...It doesn't have a gun in sight.

(OK, it has one blunderbuss unit, and an arcane laser troop...But that's all!)



I think the SL and CDG communities are making some totally superb work right now!

Everyone should reflect for a moment on how great a game CIV2 is!

	04-10-2003 01:59									#21
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ZWK?

	04-10-2003 02:32									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos ZWK?

Zweiter Weltkrieg by kobayashi

	04-10-2003 06:30									#23
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Still a lot of the scenarios for WWII are so large that they become too tactical.

What I'd like to see is a minimap version that can be played in a short amount of time.

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ZWK = WWII

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Jasev: you are absolutely right that all these periods of history have been covered, but often by only one or 2 scenarios, and in many cases not for a long time. There are about 5 or 6 'alternative post-ww2' scenarios in the making.

BTW, you forgot to list Capt Nemo's ACW scenario!

	04-10-2003 15:53									#26
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And not one single (and proper!) scenario for the cold war, or the 20s, or the imperial age...

	04-10-2003 16:42									#27
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Acedemia released a Cold War scenario, I think, then there's Exile's Imp1870 and Carl Fritz's Brown Man's Burden or Allard Hoffelt's River War for the Victorian Imperial age. The 20's are a bit sparse though, unless you have ToT; Techumseh has Warlords in the offing.

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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion ZWK = WWII

Figured out as much

Zwei=two
+
Welt=world
+
krieg=war
=
Second world war.

did three years of German at the university.

	04-10-2003 17:52									#29
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I'll deepen my French at uni, I think I'm good enough at English

	04-10-2003 19:50									#30
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling But I know of one or two creators on CDG and Poly SL who are cooking up a few XX century surprises for the community.

Oh, which ones are you refering at?

quote: I think the SL and CDG communities are making some totally superb work right now! Everyone should reflect for a moment on how great a game CIV2 is!

You're totally right!