03-10-2003 09:24									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp So molesting women is OK if someone on the other side of the political spectrum was at the receiving end of unsubstantiated allegations of similar conduct?

I guess so.

It's like kids - "he did it too!"

	03-10-2003 10:43									#32
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Some woman claims Arnie touched her leg in 1979 and I'm supposed to get all worked up? Naw, I'm more concerned with the hear and now. I just don't see how this will effect him as Governor.

	03-10-2003 10:59									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Clinton is the single most dispicable president in history. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...yers/willey.htm

Even if you took the worst allegations about Clinton at face value, he wouldn't hold a candle to Andy Jackson.

	03-10-2003 11:00									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Bustamente, Clinton supporter, called today for a criminal investigation of Schwarzenegger. Double standard?

No.

How much time and money was spent investigating Clinton?

	03-10-2003 11:03									#35
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MtG: The point is Bustamonte wanted to ignore it when Clinton did it but now calls for a full criminal investigation becasue Arnie tried to get randy with some chick back in 1979. Thanks but I'd be happier if we just ignored the personal lives of politicians. Ireally don't what to know every time one of them gets a blow job from some chick he's not married to.

	03-10-2003 18:46									#36
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Michael the Great, one cannot file a criminal complaint against a sitting president. I suppose that this is why Kathleen Willey did not complain about the criminal assault by President Clinton against her in 1993 when the alleged event occurred.

I suspect the reason that Governor Davis is not making a big deal of this is because he has been seen together in public with Bill Clinton and does not want to encourage certain questions on whether there is a double standard.

	03-10-2003 18:49									#37
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No, Davis has been trying to appear "Governor like" since this whole recall thing began. He's still trying to keep up the act. If Davis hadn't been so ungovernor like for the first 5 years we wouldn't be recall his ass now.

	03-10-2003 18:58									#38
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Schwarzenegger's wife, TV newswoman Maria Shriver, has defended him throughout the campaign against charges that he treats women badly and did so again Thursday night.
"I think it takes great courage to stand up and say: 'I apologize if I've offended anybody, I've tried to work respectfully with women and if I've done anything I apologize,'" Shriver said.
"There have been so many women that have signed onto this campaign. I have been spending the last several weeks engaging remarkable women -- Democrats, Republicans, Independents, who are proactive, pro-women, pro-Arnold."

Contrast the above with statements by Hillary Clinton concerning Bill Clinton. Has Hillary Clinton ever defended Bill's conduct? Has she ever come out in defended his truthfulness? Has she ever applauded his apology to those he has "offended?"

	03-10-2003 19:36									#39
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does this surprise anyone? an uber-masculine, muscle-bound, action star dope likes to grab women...

	03-10-2003 19:56									#40
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Sava, no it does not. However, the point is the outrageous double-standard of the those who supported Clinton who also molested women but now spring this smear on the eve of the election.

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as far as I know, Clinton wasn't convicted of any of the charges filed against him... try again...

I should say though, I do think Clinton was a little grab-assy... he just did it to women who said yes...

And don't give me this double standard crap either. I was and still am very critical of Clinton's mistakes when it comes to women.

	03-10-2003 20:14									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sava as far as I know, Clinton wasn't convicted of any of the charges filed against him... try again... I should say though, I do think Clinton was a little grab-assy... he just did it to women who said yes... And don't give me this double standard crap either. I was and still am very critical of Clinton's mistakes when it comes to women.

Fine, Sava, you then have a legitimate right to complain as do any who complained of Clinton's behavior at the time.

But guys like Gore, Davis, the LA Times and the ex president himself have no right to complain that Schwarzenegger's misconduct with women disqualifies him from being governor.

	03-10-2003 22:09									#43
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quote: Clinton is the single most dispicable president in history.

nice to see Fox is doing a good job of "educating" the masses.

here in Europe we laugh at your hangups over your presidents affairs. silly Americans.

	03-10-2003 23:35									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus nice to see Fox is doing a good job of "educating" the masses. here in Europe we laugh at your hangups over your presidents affairs. silly Americans.

Actually in Italy if Pres. Berlusconi or Ciampi had any affair with some woman, everybody would claim it is a miracle

Off course he would re-win the elections

Saluti

	03-10-2003 23:39									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Giovanni Wine Actually in Italy if Pres. Berlusconi or Ciampi had any affair with some woman, everybody would claim it is a miracle Off course he would re-win the elections Saluti

Of course, they would be bragging about it not lieing about it.
If Clinton had done that, he wouldn't have taken anywhere near as much crap. I don't remember any sincere apologies from Billie.

	03-10-2003 23:43									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus nice to see Fox is doing a good job of "educating" the masses. here in Europe we laugh at your hangups over your presidents affairs. silly Americans.

Yeah, in Europe it is ok to molest and demean women. It is expected behavior to call employees to your room and demand sex. It is OK to rape women.

If Europe calls Clinton's sexual assaults "affairs," and thereby excuses them, then there is something very sick about Europe.

	04-10-2003 00:12									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Schwarzenegger's wife, TV newswoman Maria Shriver, has defended him throughout the campaign against charges that he treats women badly and did so again Thursday night. "I think it takes great courage to stand up and say: 'I apologize if I've offended anybody, I've tried to work respectfully with women and if I've done anything I apologize,'" Shriver said. "There have been so many women that have signed onto this campaign. I have been spending the last several weeks engaging remarkable women -- Democrats, Republicans, Independents, who are proactive, pro-women, pro-Arnold." Contrast the above with statements by Hillary Clinton concerning Bill Clinton. Has Hillary Clinton ever defended Bill's conduct? Has she ever come out in defended his truthfulness? Has she ever applauded his apology to those he has "offended?"

Good point. Hillary would stick out like a sore thumb in Stepford.

	04-10-2003 00:34									#48
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if the women are so upset, why did they wait 30yrs to complain about it?

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick would dispute that.

Since all we have is Wiley's testimony (as Clinton denied everything), I must dispute you. Wiley said, Clinton grabber her breast, put her hand on his crotch, and propositioned her. She said no, and that was the end of it.

From what I've read about Jaunita Broderik, she is [i]extremely[i] uncredible. Only extreme ring-wing nut-cakes believed her.

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT He's really in a win-win situation here.

I must agree with JohnT here.

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quote: Yeah, in Europe it is ok to molest and demean women. It is expected behavior to call employees to your room and demand sex. It is OK to rape women. If Europe calls Clinton's sexual assaults "affairs," and thereby excuses them, then there is something very sick about Europe.

Clinton didn't assault and certainly not rape women.

next.

	04-10-2003 05:01									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Clinton didn't assault and certainly not rape women. next.

Nor did AAAAnold. He just did what any of us male chauvinist pigs would do.

	04-10-2003 10:47									#53
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I think what concerns me most about the allegations concerning Arnold is not that they took place long ago when he was a young, cocky bodybuilder. They come right up to 2000.

This sounds less like youthful discretion, more like a life-long pattern. Hard to remedy that kind of behavior with a hasty campaign trail mea culpa.

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quote: Since all we have is Wiley's testimony (as Clinton denied everything), I must dispute you.

Yes, Slick is so much more credible.

quote: Wiley said, Clinton grabber her breast, put her hand on his crotch, and propositioned her. She said no, and that was the end of it.

On the day her hubby was dying, hoorah for our hero in the WH.

quote: From what I've read about Jaunita Broderik, she is [i]extremely[i] uncredible. Only extreme ring-wing nut-cakes believed her.

We know why Clinton is "uncredible", but why is she?

	04-10-2003 12:50									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Clinton didn't assault and certainly not rape women. next.

Of course he did. It is tragic that you live in denial.

Just a word to the wise. Most women will have your head if you say you do not believe their contentions about being molested or assaulted. This is not a joking matter to women. Not at all.

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Its amazing how one eyes you let get about this kind of thing. ER he admitted that he molested women and regardless of whether Billy boy did this or not, is anyone seriously suggesting that someone like that is a fit and acceptable representative for anyone?

You guys need a serious reality check.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Just a word to the wise. Most women will have your head if you say you do not believe their contentions about being molested or assaulted. This is not a joking matter to women. Not at all.

Just an even wiser word to the wise. Innocent until proven guilty (or admitting guilt).

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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Just an even wiser word to the wise. Innocent until proven guilty (or admitting guilt).

Just how is someone to resolve this without a trial? Of course some women are vindictive and make things up. But most women do not.

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Got figures to back that up where celebrities are concerned?

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Just how is someone to resolve this without a trial? Of course some women are vindictive and make things up. But most women do not.

Did he admit guilt and apologise?