03-10-2003 04:14									#1
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Either suprised by doing well, or by doing crap

	03-10-2003 04:22									#2
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pretty sure vikings are gna win. I've already seen several analysts jump on the bandwagon.

win the poll that is

	03-10-2003 04:22									#3
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Specifically week 4, or the season so far?

(I'm asking this because you listed three of the four teams that had an open date in week 4.)


PS: did you check out the Bobblehead game?

	03-10-2003 04:25									#4
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I meant the season: Sorry for not making this clearer.

	03-10-2003 04:25									#5
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The lions are surprizing/disappointing me so far, i thought they were finally gonna have a good year...

	03-10-2003 04:35									#6
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bengals

	03-10-2003 04:43									#7
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Positives:

• Minnesota
  
• Dallas

	03-10-2003 05:29									#8
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Cleveland's failure was a complete and total anti-shock. SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!

	03-10-2003 05:32									#9
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Clearly the surprise of the season is that I have not heard of any NFLer being charged with an offence involcing violence, sex, weapons or drugs. Clearly a watershed for the league!!!!!

	03-10-2003 05:34									#10
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You missed the hit and run story from Dallas, huh?

ACK!

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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski You missed the hit and run story from Dallas, huh? ACK!

Oh man.... I knew it was too good to be true.

Anyone have a copy of that bumper sticker that reads, "Guns don't kill people, NFL players kill people."?

	03-10-2003 05:37									#12
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What? No Seahawks?

Doing better than I expected:

Seahawks
Chiefs
Denver
Vikes

Worse:

Eagles
Green Bay
49ers
Oakland

	03-10-2003 05:43									#13
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The Raiders hands down have been the biggest surprise for me so far this season. To have gone from being a premier team last year to probably being worst in their division by season's end, why there is no bigger mover in either direction, IMO. The Jets folding their tent I saw coming, but the Raiders debacle I hadn't envisioned - cost me several good bets so far this season....
Two positives so far this season have been Minnesota and the Colts. I got to see the Vikings beat my 'Phins on a Saturday last December, and I really admired how the first year Head Coach, Mike Tice, had kept the team playing competitively even in a lost season. The Colts are now putting some points on the board, but the real test of course is this coming Monday - gonna be a dammm good game, IMO!


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	03-10-2003 05:48									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker What? No Seahawks? Doing better than I expected: Seahawks Chiefs Denver

All three teams that are coached by men who have won Super Bowls.
I'll admit that Seattle has been looking solid so far, but they faced a struggling New Orleans, a sucky Arizona, and barely beat St. Louis, so I'm holding back a bit.

I expected Vermeil and Shanahan to do well with their teams after sound off-season acquisitions.

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True, and while the Colts have done nicely, I expected more from them than Seattle and both teams have yet to face tough competition.

	03-10-2003 06:13									#16
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Tennessee is a pretty tough team, and the Colts cruised through that game 33-7 or so, but next Monday will indeed be a good test.

	03-10-2003 06:53									#17
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I've been rather unpleasantly surprised by the Packers so far this season. Hope things start looking better for them.

	03-10-2003 08:01									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker What? No Seahawks? Doing better than I expected: Seahawks Chiefs Denver Vikes Worse: Eagles Green Bay 49ers Oakland

denver is not doing better. they had the #3 offense and #5 defense(or was it reversed?) last year. I think they actually added a better qb than griese, griese was a choking bum. tho plummer aint great, he opens up some more plays and all he has to do is place hold for portis neway.

green bay sucked, their receivers got thrashed and honestly, wtf last year was flukesy IMO. Okland is 2-2, last year they were 4-4. the eagles got ravaged on defense, but yah, mcnabb should carry that team and hasn't. niners well, hrrm. 1-3 is bad.

chiefs are a surprise, but if u notice the vikings/chiefs/seahawks are all basically built the same. offense not defense. seahawks defense is old and dumb, chiefs lacks talent and vikings lacks any age.

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The Cheifs are the one team that hasn't suprised me, They don't need a great defense an average one will do fine.

ACK!

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quote: Tennessee is a pretty tough team, and the Colts cruised through that game 33-7 or so, but next Monday will indeed be a good test.

True, and that drubbing of New Orleans was impressive. But my picks were based on surprise and I thought the Colts would be getting better and better under Tony "Tampa's Defense was mine" Dungy so I can't say I'm surprised.

quote: denver is not doing better.

Better than I expected.

	03-10-2003 13:05									#21
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No Chargers?

:rant

I thought they'd be better than 0-4, more like 2-2.

	03-10-2003 13:42									#22
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I listed:

Redskins, Vikings, Colts, Cowboys and Panthers.

All look much better than I thought they'd be.

Seahawks aren't on my list because if you looked at the 2nd half of last year, you knew this was coming. San Diego should have been on the list... even though they stunk at the end of last year, I wasn't predicting this.

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Redskins may have been lucky: playing the Jets w/o Pennington, and playing the Falcons w/o Vick, although they did do well to come back from a deficit.
Coles is playing very well though, and Ramsey is throwing better than expected.

Panthers were 3-0 last year as well, but then slipped to 3-8. I don't think that will happen this year though.
Stephen Davis has been a valuable addition; I didn't expect him to have 100+ yard-games in all his starts so far.

	03-10-2003 18:15									#24
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KC Chiefs. I was uncertain about their defense and QB Green, and Priest coming back from injury. Very impressive.

Then Carolina. I knew their defense was good, but without a QB (Jake Delhomme??) I didn't expect anything from them.

Washington Jetskins. Still not convinced of this team. Is it possible Spurrier has figured out this NFL thing??

Another real surprise is the Seahawks. Can't believe they're not listed here. (Admit you just forgot, Frozzy, don't feed us that "everybody who was watching last year knew" crap! They did beat StL with a grreat comeback, and are way more surprising than anything the Jets, Giants, Steelers, or Buccaneers have done.)

Negatives -- I voted for the Rams and Eagles. Very disappointing.

	03-10-2003 23:22									#25
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Gotta be the Seahawks...I don't think they are going to slide, unless Alexander goes down. They are playing with real fire and should win at least their first playoff game.

I'm surprised San Fran is so bad, but I don't like Owens at all or SF in general, so no tears shed by me.

There really aren't any big changes from last year, but a few teams seem to have turned the corner a bit, namely, Denver, Indy, Carolina and KC.
I think Tampa Bay is vulnerable to these teams (Carolina already proved it) because they have better offenses and comperable defenses.

Minnesota is the big surprise to me--I thought they would totally suck.

As a Lions fan...no surprise there.

Barry! Come back! Come back, Barry!

	03-10-2003 23:29									#26
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Panthers. Undefeated, great defense. Beat Tampa Bay at Tampa Bay.

Second, Indianpolis: the defense has joined the offense.

Third, Minnesota: ditto

Fourth: Dallas - a good offense? Surprising.

	04-10-2003 00:13									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy Either suprised by doing well, or by doing crap

I can tell by the wording of your poll that you need a severe ass-kicking.

	04-10-2003 00:16									#28
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I love Tennessee this year. Going into Pittburgh and destroying the Steelers put me on their bandwagon.

McNair is a warrior.

	04-10-2003 03:06									#29
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18 voters so far, and the Vikings have a narrow lead with 6 votes (several with 5).

Frankly, I don't find their success surprising. Daunte and Randy had an off year, and the team had some key injuries (and/or deaths).

Unlike the Bears, they rebuilt by putting together a fine (and large!) offensive line while retooling the defense through strength up front and speed at LB.

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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit 18 voters so far, and the Vikings have a narrow lead with 6 votes (several with 5). Frankly, I don't find their success surprising. Daunte and Randy had an off year, and the team had some key injuries (and/or deaths). Unlike the Bears, they rebuilt by putting together a fine (and large!) offensive line while retooling the defense through strength up front and speed at LB.

they have no second wr. they use anonymous rb's. they do have a big oline(so does arizona). their defense shite. daunte is not good tho his short yardage gaining ability is tantalizing.

they are overperforming right now.