03-10-2003 05:27									#1
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Hee Hee Hee.... the end of the Harris/Eves junta!!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/10/0...ls_closed031003

Well I guess that's what you get for policies that kill constituents.

	03-10-2003 05:43									#2
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McGuinty Forever!!!

Well, it seemed like the PC's were essentially giving up about a week ago, so hopefully the Libs just ram it home as hard as is needed.

Of course, this doesn't have much bearing on me, all the way over in the Good Part of Canada, but... it's always nice to see a Ernie Eves get put in his place.

	03-10-2003 05:45									#3
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Yeah - perhaps the City of Toronto will actually get the money it needs.

Despite being the economic hub of the province we got stiffed by the supposedly pro-economy Tories.

	03-10-2003 05:46									#4
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Yep, yep.

Although, on the other hand, now you've got to deal with an Evil Reptilian Kitten-Eater From Another Planet as Premier...

Eh, either way, it's still a step up from Eves.

	03-10-2003 05:49									#5
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It's really turning into a rout: the Liberals are projected to get 68 seats and the Tories about 26 or so.

The NDP (or pathetic wannabe commies) are down one to 8 (17% of the vote though).

	03-10-2003 06:30									#6
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I voted NDP. My best friend voted Green. Meh.

	03-10-2003 06:32									#7
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It's a shame Ontario doesn't have brilliant economic politicians like Klein.

	03-10-2003 06:35									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon It's really turning into a rout: the Liberals are projected to get 68 seats and the Tories about 26 or so. The NDP (or pathetic wannabe commies) are down one to 8 (17% of the vote though).

That's nothing, you should see how many seats the Liberals have in Alberta's parliament. Or even better, NDP.

The best thing is it's been like that for about 50 years now.

	03-10-2003 06:35									#9
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Klein's a lucky idiot.

	03-10-2003 06:38									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's a shame Ontario doesn't have brilliant economic politicians like Klein.

What have you been smoking? Harris and Eves attempted to cut taxes willy-nilly. Unfortunately for them people aren't so stupid as to realise that this means cuts to services.

Klein would never get elected here.

Anyway, the Liberals are going to be the government of Canada and Ontario for the foreseeable future since they are the only electable party.

Sad useless Tories.... bwhahahahaha!

	03-10-2003 06:39									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Asher That's nothing, you should see how many seats the Liberals have in Alberta's parliament. Or even better, NDP. The best thing is it's been like that for about 50 years now.

But Alberta doesn't count in Canadian politics. It's Ontario and Quebec. Everyone else is of marginal importance.

	03-10-2003 06:42									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon But Alberta doesn't count in Canadian politics. It's Ontario and Quebec. Everyone else is of marginal importance.

Unless you're in the business world.

Remember, Alberta has the fastest growing GDP and population by far, and Calgary is only 2nd to Toronto to # of corporate HQs, and closing that gap rapidly, despite having 1/3 of the population.

quote: What have you been smoking? Harris and Eves attempted to cut taxes willy-nilly. Unfortunately for them people aren't so stupid as to realise that this means cuts to services.

What are you talking about? There's more to it than cutting taxes willy-nilly.

	03-10-2003 06:48									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Unless you're in the business world. Remember, Alberta has the fastest growing GDP and population by far, and Calgary is only 2nd to Toronto to # of corporate HQs, and closing that gap rapidly, despite having 1/3 of the population.

It doesn't matter in a democracy. Alberta is always going to be a marginal province because Quebec and Ontario simply have too many people. The fact of Canadian Federal politics now and for the foreseeable future is that the Liberals win.

quote: What are you talking about? There's more to it than cutting taxes willy-nilly.

Someone should have told the Ontario Tories that.

Look, Klein is a good politician, but an ape could stand for the Tories in Alberta and still get elected.

	03-10-2003 06:49									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon It doesn't matter in a democracy.

Since when was Canada democracy?

quote: Look, Klein is a good politician, but an ape could stand for the Tories in Alberta and still get elected.

Stockwell Day couldn't get reelected.

	03-10-2003 06:53									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Stockwell Day couldn't get reelected.

Any non-aquatic ape could get reelected.

* St Leo ducks the rotten tomatoes thrown by anthropologists.

	03-10-2003 06:57									#16
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Fair enough, but Day is well below the apes on the evolutionary chain.

	03-10-2003 06:58									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Since when was Canada democracy?

By all means, change to proportional representation. This will mean that the NDP gain a massive amount of seats and that the Tories will be finished as an electable political party.

Think of all those commies, greens and legalise pot MPs too.

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Stockwell Day got in trouble by writing a letter to a newspaper condemning a lawyer for defending a pedophile. He was sued for about a million dollars. Legally, the provincial government was supposed to pay for it as Day was a serving MLA. But Klein told Day no, and forced Day to take out a second mortage on his house to pay for it.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon By all means, change to proportional representation. This will mean that the NDP gain a massive amount of seats and that the Tories will be finished as an electable political party. Think of all those commies, greens and legalise pot MPs too.

Proportional Representation still isn't a democracy.

	03-10-2003 07:02									#20
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Are you talking about Direct Democracy, Asher?

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The only true democracy, IMO. Everything else is a wannabe.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Proportional Representation still isn't a democracy.

It's the closest workable alternative to every person voting on every single issue. It also results in higher voter turnout since every vote matters. And most importantly, it prevents a conservative minority from gaining disproportionate political representation.

What's not to like?

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Fair enough, but Day is well below the apes on the evolutionary chain.

Wow, your grasp of scientific terminology is astounding.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher The only true democracy, IMO. Everything else is a wannabe.

The problem is that it is massively inefficient. People simply don't have the time to become well informed on every single policy issue. In Athens, where this system was actually in place and worked (for a while at least), the people who voted had slaves to do most of their work for them.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon It's the closest workable alternative to every person voting on every single issue. It also results in higher voter turnout since every vote matters. And most importantly, it prevents a conservative minority from gaining disproportionate political representation. What's not to like?

It would increase the CA's presence nationally, last I checked.

	03-10-2003 07:06									#26
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Wow, your grasp of scientific terminology is astounding.

I was uncomfortable slipping away from Aristotle's Great Chain of Being, but I suppose it worked this time.

	03-10-2003 07:08									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It would increase the CA's presence nationally, last I checked.

Yep. But if you check the numbers the Liberals and NDP (who are closer to each other ideologically) would still share the majority of votes.

It's a stock political truth that PR means the death of traditional conservative parties. They either change or fade away (NZ's National Party is a wonderful example).

	03-10-2003 07:38									#28
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Grr, NDP is one seat short from official party status.

Oh, well. At least none of the terrifying PC campaign threats promises will be implemented.

	03-10-2003 09:19									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon It's a stock political truth that PR means the death of traditional conservative parties. They either change or fade away (NZ's National Party is a wonderful example).

Well, PR seemed to work for the Nazis...

But I guess they weren't a "Traditional" conservative party, in a sense.

	03-10-2003 09:22									#30
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Am I the only one that can't take a post seriously if it has the phrase "political truth" in it?