03-10-2003 09:49									#31
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I also don't think Maria Shriver would marry a nazi-lover.

	03-10-2003 09:50									#32
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BTW Arnie denies ever saying anything good about Hitler. He said these whole report was a lie. I have to admite last minute smear campaigns fit Davis's modus opporandi to a "T". The man has always run a last minute smear campaign against his opponents in every campaign he's ever been in. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis's campaign is the one who's releasing all of this stuff just a week before the election.

	03-10-2003 10:06									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker The media was making it look like a circus, perhaps to deter future recalls. Too bad 3rd party candidates don't get that much attention even in races with maybe 3-5 candidates.

How could the media or anyone manage to not make it look like a circus when you Gary Coleman, Larry Flynt, some twit porn star whose campaign issues include lap dances, and a bunch of average joes with $3500 to burn for a laugh and an ego trip?

3rd party candidates get attention if the public has any interest. John Anderson, Ross Perot, Jesse Ventura all got a lot of press. If you perpetually run under 1% in general elections though, the media isn't going to give you free publicity, sorry.

	03-10-2003 10:08									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www I dont believe this. Anther "puke" bomb by the Davis people. I say we should all watch as Davis trys to hang on to power and laugh at him. ---> Davis

Just wait til you get to the court challenges after the results are in.

	03-10-2003 10:17									#35
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I doubt there will be court challenges. The state constitution spells out how the recall should be run so it's not like he can claim the recall was illegal.

	03-10-2003 10:33									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Edan (However, this assumes that the article & quote are, in fact, correct)

Which they are not.

	03-10-2003 10:57									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Ariana Huffington

I'd hit it.

	03-10-2003 10:57									#38
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Whoever the hell gets stuck with the *basket case* that California is, I feel sorry for 'em. $38 billion is a helluva hole to dig yourself into, much less out of, and the impression I get is that many taxpayers in California don't wanna cough up the cash to pay for their spendy ways. So get used to budget cuts. Lots of 'em.

Suckers!

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	03-10-2003 11:19									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I'd hit it.

It would be interesting if only to shut her up. "Here, put this in your mouth!"

	03-10-2003 11:23									#40
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I think she is actually doing Arnold more of a favor by being an idiot than anything

I can't take her seriously

	03-10-2003 11:25									#41
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YOOU STOOPAD HUMMAH

	03-10-2003 16:16									#42
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Maybe like Franz Liebkind, Arnold was just impressed with his fellow Austrian's artistic talents.

quote: Hitler...there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in ONE afternoon! TWO coats!!

	03-10-2003 18:14									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I doubt there will be court challenges. The state constitution spells out how the recall should be run so it's not like he can claim the recall was illegal.

You poor naive waif!



Didn't you know that the Democrats are already stockpiling a $100,000 warchest for the express purpose of initiating legal actions in any event other than a Davis/Bustamonte win?

quote: Worried Democrats start fund to monitor California voting By BOB KEEFE / Cox News Service SAN DIEGO -- Amid signs Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger's strength is growing in California's recall race, worried Democrats have started a fund-raising drive to pay lawyers to help monitor next week's election to prevent what they called "Florida-style" voting controversies like those in the 2000 presidential election. There were suggestions the "No More Floridas! California Recall Voter Rights Fund" might also be used to pay for legal challenges should Democratic Gov. Gray Davis be ousted in next Tuesday's landmark vote. California Democratic Party Chairman Art Torres sidestepped reporters' questions on whether the $100,000 his party is trying to raise would be used for that purpose. But a press release from the fund's organizers indicated the donations could be used for legal challenges. Torres said the money would mainly go toward paying for lawyers and to support volunteers who plan to monitor polling places, looking for any signs of voting problems or discrepancies. "We're not trying to create litigation, what we're trying to create is a fair process," Torres said in a conference call with reporters...

	03-10-2003 19:19									#44
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I just heard on NBC News that the man who first broke the story, the producer of the film "Pumping Iron," is now retracting his prior statements about the accuracy of the quotes. I would provide a link if I could.

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John T., I not only that, but the very same Democrats who complain that the recall is a perversion of the democratic process are promising to file a fresh recall if any one other than a Democrat is elected governor.

For my understanding, the Democrats have the past attempted 35 recalls, including a recall effort against Governor Reagan. The Democrats are notorious for their double standards.

	03-10-2003 19:32									#46
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Sure, there are some partisans who want to sue every time they lose in the ballot box but they've already blown the best part of their legal load with the 9th circuit. That means they'll having nothing else to do then try to make false claims about such and such minority group being disinfranchised.

	03-10-2003 19:34									#47
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this whole circus might actually be funny if the legitimacy of California's government weren't in jeopardy...

	03-10-2003 19:44									#48
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Those people who want to launch a recall the instant they lose at the ballot box really tick me off.

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quote: Originally posted by uh Clem Those people who want to launch a recall the instant they lose at the ballot box really tick me off.

I agree... the whole recall thing started just 6 months after the most recent election. This is just a power grab by repugs... it has nothing to do with California or the problems that plague that state.

	03-10-2003 19:54									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I agree... the whole recall thing started just 6 months after the most recent election. This is just a power grab by repugs... it has nothing to do with California or the problems that plague that state.

Sava, regardless of whether it is an attempted power grab or not, it cannot succeed without the approval of the people. This is no coup.

Speaking of coups, and this is off off topic, I saw a brief report on the new book about LBJ being behind the Kennedy assassination. One of those interviewed was a forensic doctor who said, in effect, that the "single-bullet" theory was a crock. He said that the evidence put forward in the book raised strong questions on whether the assassination was really a coup, and called for a fresh investigation.

	03-10-2003 20:02									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Sava, regardless of whether it is an attempted power grab or not, it cannot succeed without the approval of the people. This is no coup.

Who said coup? This isn't a coup, its an abuse of the law. The Repugs lost the election for governor... didn't like the results... it's obvious they are trying to gerrymander and grab power wherever they can nationally. I'm sure this was probably a brain-child of Karl Rove and Pete Wilson. They looked at the entire nation and scoured California's law to find a dusty, old, little known clause allowing for a recall. Based upon low voter turnout in a previous election, they were able to get the small percentage of signatures needed for a recall. Only around a million people wanted this recall. So don't give me this "approval of the people" BS. Now that it's become a circus, people are involved and it has become a popular topic. If the recall succeeds, the number of signatures needed for another recall are even less than the 600k needed to push the original one through. It's a stupid law, and will probably get changed if the Repugs succeed in their power grab.

Again, top Republican leadership doesn't respect the legitimacy of our current policitical system. So the radical right is trying to hijack our government and destroy it, piece by piece. Florida 2000, now California and Texas 2003... I only hope that people pay enough attention to thwart these attempts.

	03-10-2003 20:11									#52
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Sava, I really enjoy it when the pot calls the kettle black.

Remember, it was GORE who tried to reverse the election results in Florida by recount and lawsuit.

	03-10-2003 20:43									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I mean that's why the Italians keep Berlisconi around isn't it?

No, it's because apparently the majority of us likes getting ****ed in the ass by the government

	03-10-2003 22:01									#54
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But on Friday, the Times reported Butler -- having checked through a second transcript of the interview -- had found different wording.

"I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for his way of getting to the people and so on. But I didn't admire him for what he did with it," the quote read, according to Butler.

Peter Davis, who conducted the interviews for the documentary, told the newspaper that "the excerpt had been taken out of context ... and that Mr. Schwarzenegger had gone on to say that he had changed his views on Hitler as he grew up in Austria."

ABC taking it out of context, changing the wording? Why in the world would they do that? It would be patently unfair.

But, isn't that the purpose?

	05-10-2003 11:51									#55
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Hitler was a pretty cool guy. I don't understand why he gets a bad rap. Anyone who praises him automatically is as bad as satan.

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quote: This isn't a coup, its an abuse of the law.

So in Savaland, using the law is an abuse of the law. Ah .

quote: scoured California's law to find a dusty, old, little known clause

Is this why there has been a recall attempt for just about every governor elected in California since the passage of the law (none ever got this far, of course)?

	05-10-2003 13:42									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Theben I also don't think Maria Shriver would marry a nazi-lover.

Isn't she some sort of Kennedy relation? Could be a throwback to old Joe.

	05-10-2003 13:50									#58
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Laz beats me to the punch yet again...

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anyone ever wonder how small Arnold Swarcheneggers nuts are?

with all those steroids, there had to be some serious shrinkage.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident anyone ever wonder how small Arnold Swarcheneggers nuts are? with all those steroids, there had to be some serious shrinkage.

There really was no need to put that thought in my head. Really.