03-10-2003 12:22									#1
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Shi: just e-mail her something with heteronormative content and watch the good times roll

Me:

Shi: ah, hetero-normativity, gender binary, dialectic, socio-cultural metanarrative. i think for someone like me i have a pretty good linguistic command of leftist


Me: ah, but do you understand how transidentification reinforces the normativity of the gender binary?

Me: (it does actually)

Shi: indeed i do understand. when one transidentifies, they are actually adhering to rather then dissenting against gender norms. by choosing the opposite gender as a role, they give support to the idea of an inherent gender role, and in fact reinforce the stereotypical societal role of said gender by living out said role

Shi: thus, a male transidentifying as a female acts as to resist the feminist movement to liberate women from the traditional opressed role in the patriarchal system by acting out said traits associated with the traditional partriarchal idea of a female- thus exemplifying the idea that in order to be a womyn you must act in ways that reinforce the inferior role of womyn in society

Shi: BOOYAH!

Me: O.O

Me: wow

Me: most impressive

Shi: i'm good

Me: you are



Gays are really lucky to have this kind of vocabulary to sling around. I wish the hegemonic heteronormative meta-narrative had a range of connotation as rich

	03-10-2003 12:24									#2
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I'm just glad I understood it!

	03-10-2003 12:25									#3
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Good to hear it, you are well on your way to becomming flexual and rejecting the gender binary as a matrix for interpersonal attraction!

	03-10-2003 13:07									#4
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Indeed, and so we will make egalitarianistic progress towards a more pluralistic socio-cultural metanarrative.

	03-10-2003 13:24									#5
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It's time to whoop out the science talk and fight the sociophilosophical hordes!

	03-10-2003 13:41									#6
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So what you are saying is that these so-called 'queer' folk exist in theory only? Is that your claim?

	03-10-2003 13:42									#7
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Exactly, queerness is a social construction.

	03-10-2003 13:46									#8
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Then I'd like to be the 1st to tell Mr. Fun that he's merely a theoretical concept.

	03-10-2003 13:47									#9
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btw that was very impressive of you Shi

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It's the defence of men against strong women.
She says "Yes, I know you want me, Jack, because I am all that hot! Now I can do whatever I please with you".
And he goes " Not so! Who I really want is Peter, so go talk to the hand lol".

	03-10-2003 14:40									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Then I'd like to be the 1st to tell Mr. Fun that he's merely a theoretical concept.

I've always felt that there was something a little queer about Mr. Fun, but I would have never expected him to be a construct!

	03-10-2003 14:49									#12
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He does have the sense of humor found only in the densest of intellectual works...

	03-10-2003 14:52									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel It's time to whoop out the science talk and fight the sociophilosophical hordes!

The dark tide of gooblodegook must be fought back!

	03-10-2003 15:13									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger The dark tide of gooblodegook must be fought back!

Do you derive negative connotations regarding the nonmenclature employed in the interlocution of gender constructs? Care to extrapolate?

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quote: Originally posted by Theben Do you derive negative connotations regarding the nonmenclature employed in the interlocution of gender constructs? Care to extrapolate?

The BS meter is going off like crazy.

	03-10-2003 15:34									#16
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Womyn?

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"ENGLISH, [MOFO]. DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?" -- Samuel L. Jackson

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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs "ENGLISH, [MOFO]. DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?" -- Samuel L. Jackson

omg
too funny

	03-10-2003 16:22									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Do you derive negative connotations regarding the nonmenclature employed in the interlocution of gender constructs? Care to extrapolate?

Gender constructs are actually derivative of subtle but potential hormonal changes that triger different paths of cerebral developement, even in the earliest fetal, or perhaps even embryonic stages. I would like to point out that we must always differentiate between the transsexual and homosexual phenomena, since the former include the existance of the female form of the sexually dimorphic nucleus in the male subjects, and vice versa in females, and the latter are most certainly products of enviromental influences, though it is possible that some change from the standard formation of the cognitive abilities of the brain.

Seriously.

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yeah, some feminazi, er, since that's offensive, radical feminists prefer the term "womyn" because the traditional spelling of "women/woman" shows a great bias towards the male gender.

	03-10-2003 19:04									#21
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since guevera isnt here to say it let me. (though i'll be more marxist influenced neo-con then commie, im afraid)

this is all a distraction from real class relations and the underlying relations of production. How gender is manifested in society is largely determined by the interests of the dominant social class. The concern of the academy with such matters is largely a manifestation of their failure to come to grips with the rapidly evolving class structure of late capitalist, information age society. Classic Marxist interpretations having failed, the intelligentsia, which SHOULD be revising Marx to understand the emergence of new classes, and new forms of social, economic, and power relations, is instead withdrawing into irrelevance.

	04-10-2003 04:57									#22
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Asserting environmental gender construct predispositions initiate solely during prenatal development simplifies causality beyond believability.

Robust normative theories exemplify continuous environmental cerebral pattern alteration provoking frequent construct reassessment.

	04-10-2003 05:02									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Then I'd like to be the 1st to tell Mr. Fun that he's merely a theoretical concept.

You're usually funny with your posts, so why the failure this time?

	04-10-2003 05:09									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun You're usually funny with your posts, so why the failure this time?

Inherent risibilty deficiency of aforementioned "post" is almost certainly an artificial viewpoint derived from the overly subjective nature of intended recipient. The intended recipient in question being notorious for an incapacity to acknowledge many forms of comedic syntax, or in layman's terms, has no sense of humour.

	04-10-2003 05:10									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Inherent risibilty deficiency of aforementioned "post" is almost certainly an artificial viewpoint derived from the overly subjective nature of intended recipient. The intended recipient in question being notorious for an incapacity to acknowledge many forms of comedic syntax, or in layman's terms, has no sense of humour.

So you haven't noticed some Apolytoners that have appreciated my sense of humor about myself lately, huh?

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cite?

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forget it -- hunt them down yourself, you lazy bastard

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun You're usually funny with your posts, so why the failure this time?

And you lack originality- I've seen you use this comeback before.

	04-10-2003 09:40									#29
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark since guevera isnt here to say it let me.

Wow!

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark since guevera isnt here to say it let me. (though i'll be more marxist influenced neo-con then commie, im afraid) this is all a distraction from real class relations and the underlying relations of production. How gender is manifested in society is largely determined by the interests of the dominant social class. The concern of the academy with such matters is largely a manifestation of their failure to come to grips with the rapidly evolving class structure of late capitalist, information age society. Classic Marxist interpretations having failed, the intelligentsia, which SHOULD be revising Marx to understand the emergence of new classes, and new forms of social, economic, and power relations, is instead withdrawing into irrelevance.

Ah but what you miss is that all relationships are power relationships for there is a power differential inherent in all human interaction. By focusing on merely the power that adheres to class interactions one looses sight of other forms of oppesion and because of this this parochial socio-economic view must be deconstructed to allow for a more holistic view of capitalistic patriarchical hegemony.