04-10-2003 01:46									#31
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MrFun: try to get a job where you are master of nothing... that's what makes it worthless. Yet, it can still be a well rounded education.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher MrFun: try to get a job where you are master of nothing... that's what makes it worthless. Yet, it can still be a well rounded education.

Exactly. While it may not help you get the job. (besides the simple fact that you have any degree) It has benefits in almost any settings. But it's still a Bull**** degree.

RAH

Actually I'm quite impress that a typical Bod's rant thread turned into a real discussion.

	04-10-2003 02:02									#33
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Well I agree in that you won't get far with a BA degree in any field unless you go on to a Master's -- at least a Master's.

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That's because we didn't read his opening post .

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui That's because we didn't read his opening post .

Yeah, I kind of skimmed it but that's about it.

	04-10-2003 02:03									#36
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That was a quick threadjack.

Poly Sci and Lib Arts = a degree in undeclared...

	04-10-2003 02:04									#37
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After all, who the Hell cares what Bods says anyway. It's basically always gonna be wrong .

	04-10-2003 02:09									#38
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And it was another of his typical spew a little hate and leave. I notice he hasn't posted since the first one. But that may be due to the rest of the posts being constructive. (with the exception of SPIKE, of course )
I know real discussions scare Bod's a bit since he is usually unarmed.

	04-10-2003 02:11									#39
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Well if you want to continue a real discussion, read my last fricking post, damn you!

	04-10-2003 02:14									#40
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quote: Well I agree in that you won't get far with a BA degree in any field unless you go on to a Master's -- at least a Master's.

Depends on what you mean by far. I think you are right for most cases, wrong for others. I know many successful people who have BAs only and some who have no degree at all. I know a guy with a BA in journalism and he has a company that buys and develops commercial real estate. My sister does alright with her BA in LA teaching 1st graders.

Bill Gates has a degree in what?

	04-10-2003 02:14									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Depends on what you mean by far. I think you are right for most cases, wrong for others. I know many successful people who have BAs only and some who have no degree at all. I know a guy with a BA in journalism and he has a company that buys and develops commercial real estate. My sister does alright with her BA in LA teaching 1st graders. Bill Gates has a degree in what?

There's always exceptions to the rule.

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I'm a lot older than most here. Back in MY DAY, (god, I hate saying that) A masters wasn't required. And back then, technical computer people, hardware or programmers didn't really nead any degree, just knowledge. The field was just starting to really take off. Demand for people was great. But my degree was a requirement for a management position. (it didn't matter what the degree was in)

Today, things are quite different and a masters or an MBA is more necessary. (not critical, but real helpful to differenciate you from the masses) If I wasn't approaching retirement, I would consider going back to get one.

RAH
Better?

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There seems to be an awfully lot of exceptions though.

Schooling does not equal education.

It is not what you got, but what you do with what you got.

Most people who get a BS tend to think they have it made as they get a good job out of school and begin to float along the road of "success". Yet real success, the big money, is made through risk and effort not through a fancy seal on a degree or three letters after your name...

	04-10-2003 02:18									#44
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quote: Originally posted by rah I'm a lot older than most here. Back in MY DAY, (god, I hate saying that) A masters wasn't required. And back then, technical compute people, hardware or programmers didn't really nead any degree, just knowledge. The field was just starting to really take off. Demand for people was great. But my degree was a requirement for a management position. (it didn't matter what the degree was in) Today, things are quite different and a masters or an MBA is more necessary. (not critical, but real helpful to differenciate you from the masses) If I wasn't approaching retirement, I would consider going back to get one. RAH Better?

That's better -- I guess I won't ban you for a week now.

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Thanks.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher There seems to be an awfully lot of exceptions though. Schooling does not equal education. It is not what you got, but what you do with what you got. Most people who get a BS tend to think they have it made as they get a good job out of school and begin to float along the road of "success". Yet real success, the big money, is made through risk and effort not through a fancy seal on a degree or three letters after your name...

Yeah -- good points.

	04-10-2003 02:21									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Japher There seems to be an awfully lot of exceptions though. Schooling does not equal education. It is not what you got, but what you do with what you got. Most people who get a BS tend to think they have it made as they get a good job out of school and begin to float along the road of "success". Yet real success, the big money, is made through risk and effort not through a fancy seal on a degree or three letters after your name...

Agreed, but the statistics show that it helps.

One of the richest people that I know (I went to high school with him) Dropped out. But he worked hard and had a vision. So an education is not always necessary or a guarentee. (and no, the money didn't come from his family. )

	04-10-2003 02:23									#48
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Well Cher was a high school drop out -- IIRC -- and she became one of the most successful singers known.

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Well if she went to college maybe she'd be able to sing better than a pig stuck with a harpoon .

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Yeah, talent can trump eduation.

	04-10-2003 02:25									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well if she went to college maybe she'd be able to sing better than a pig stuck with a harpoon .

Hey -- don't mock the diva.

	04-10-2003 02:26									#52
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Why not? I mock you all the time .

	04-10-2003 02:26									#53
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Hell, I'd still do her.

RAH
Hopefully not responsible for the possible downslide of this thread.

	04-10-2003 02:26									#54
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quote: Hopefully not responsible for the possible downslide of this thread.

Oh yes you are .

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Can someone explain why Cher has been so successful if she is an awful singer??

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so can effort.

I have a friend who was told by our counciler in HS that he would never amount to anything. It took him 4 years of community college to get into a university. He now his BS in Forestry and is a city planner.

Not huge, but he learned that he can do anything he tries. He just dropped 80 pounds and is training for the lumberjack games

Effort trumps everything.

	04-10-2003 02:27									#57
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quote: Can someone explain why Cher has been so successful if she is an awful singer??

*points to the Backstreet Boys*

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Can someone explain why Cher has been so successful if she is an awful singer?? *points to the Backstreet Boys*

ugh -- now the Backstreet Boys are NOT good

	04-10-2003 02:29									#59
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Can someone explain why [The Backstreet Boys have] been so successful if [they are not good]??

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