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SMC orders 1784
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| A)Bombay: go ahead bribe them |
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| A) bad plan |
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10.00% |
| B) Barbarians: shoot them right to the moon |
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80.00% |
| B) don't fear the barbarians they will go away without our help |
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| C) Detroit: Wipe them out, kill crush and destroy |
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| C) nah I have a beter plan |
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40.00% |
| D) Bribe whatever city you can get your hands on |
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80.00% |
| D) We will not bribe cities, never, we will kill crush and destroy. |
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| E) Victory Banana to eat with our Victory Coffee |
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40.00% |
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cavebear
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of the Pleistocene
Oct 1999
time: 00:31
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Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Whatever direction we are sending our armies, we should not look at it as an ending point, but as a beginning.  (meaning don't be sending them to cities at a dead end...there should be another city(ies) for them to attack further on, we would not want our units to have to turn around and move back the way they have just come)  |
I agree our armies should pay attention to efficient movement and not getting left out in the middle of nowhere when they have completed their immediate goals. I certainly wouldn't want our army approaching Detroit to go on to New York then to Boston et al, and find themselves far from where needed next.
My thoughts are that, from Detroit, the army there can start to sweep south through the unexplored area where we can start on the Zulus and find out more about the Germans/Russians. But we *do* want to take over the American cities first (hence, attacking Detroit) so we don't have to worry about them any more.
It seems to me that we have enough cities in the north area around the American core to support the attack there. Our other groups of cities should begin to focus efforts locally on the other civs they are near. We can build more units in those places and leave them in cities until we have a proper and balanced force gather and send out.
This process is already underway, thanks to the efforts of atawa and STYOM in the previous years.  Many of our cities are holding military strength far in excess to their defensive needs. I expect the SMC to take note of these situations and suggest assertive actions.
No blame to the previous administration for this, as this near-embarassment of military strength only occurred with the acquisition of Washington and Leo's Workshop at the very end of their administration.  We are only in the excellent position we find ourselves in now due to their efforts and play.  But it is time, now, to make use of this abundance and power. 
Devastation, for example, has 2 Fanatics, a Dragoon, and a Musketeer in City Walls. Surely no enemy attack could threaten a city like that far from other civs. Other cities relatively safe from attack have similar available units. Some of these units can start to gather closer to the enemy to form the beginning of an army too powerful to be resisted.
The details of such actions are, of course, the province of the SMC and he understands these things perfectly well (I have absolute confidence in SMC Shade, the most proven Minister of War our game has ever had). I'm just suggesting some very general overall strategic plans that should be considered in our long-term plans for this month.
Hmmm, this became a bit longer than I expected. 
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Ljube
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Belgrade
May 2003
time: 06:31
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This is my first post as member of President Cavebear’s cabinet and I regret to be the sole voice of dissent. 
I voted against this plan in all of its details.
Allow me to explain why.
We have a treasury of 1974 gold. We should put it to good use. I suggest we stop losing time with Americans and don’t send any more units towards them. Instead, let’s bribe them away since they don’t have the capital any more.
According to the Great Library the following formula applies to the cost for city bribe:
Price of a city = (civ’s treasury + 1000)/(distance + 3)*(city size)
Coefficient = (civ’s treasury + 1000)/(distance + 3)
If a civ has no capital distance = 16, American coefficient = 73
Prices of American cities:
Boston, Sent Luis, Philadelphia – 876
New York – 730
Detroit – 657
Bombay – 584
Atlanta – 438
New York is size 10 for sure, but Detroit, Bombay and Atlanta may be larger than the sizes that show.
If any of the cities is in disorder the sum required for a successful bribe is halved.
If any of the cities has a courthouse, distance is no longer 16 but 8 and the Coefficient = 127.
To put Americans in history books we need to maximise the taxes and to sell all unneeded improvements to get the required money. I suggest we start eliminating the ballast by selling city walls in all of our cities first. As Mr. President has already noted, we have ample defences in our cities, so we shouldn’t fear any attack.
The next to come are the libraries and universities (only after we have discovered tactics which we may decide to speed up after the demise of America).
Secondly, I suggest we stop producing so many military units and focus on tax improvements instead. We should only produce canon and only in cities containing barracks. The cities without barracks should focus on diplomats. In addition, we should try and build barracks in each of our border cities. It is also imperative we locate Pharsalos and bribe it.
I also suggest our engineers build roads first and irrigation later (to maximise the money). I shall also suggest the rearrangement of workers to maximise the money output.
So, my plan is:
1. Bribe Boston
2. Bribe New York
3. Sell city walls
4. Don’t bribe American dragoon (WE NEED THE MONEY FOR AMERICAN CITIES). Move fanatics and diplo combo away to 79, 91.
5. Approach Detroit with rifleman and diplo combo (36, 38)
6. The troops heading for Detroit move towards Zululand
7. Bribe Detroit next turn selling aqueducts if needed
8. Continue in the same way
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atawa
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Somewhere over the rainbow.
Jul 2001
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by ljcvetko
Prices of American cities:
Boston, Sent Luis, Philadelphia – 876
New York – 730
Detroit – 657
Bombay – 584
Atlanta – 438
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When we attack the American city's our cannons will destroy many of the city's improvements, if we can get about half of the bribing cost back by selling improvements I would say bribe the riverbasin, S-America, Atlanta and New York.
Cavebear is making a good point when he says:
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My thoughts are that, from Detroit, the army there can start to sweep south through the unexplored area where we can start on the Zulus and find out more about the Germans/Russians. But we *do* want to take over the American cities first (hence, attacking Detroit) so we don't have to worry about them any more. |
In the meantime we can get some roading/railroading to Zulu's done. I would propose we use the bulk of our engineers to make a RR to Zululand asap.
Btw, can we have another 25 or so engineers?
Our attackspeed will depend largely on how fast we can build railroads to our enemy's and we have a lot of work to do.
When finished it could look something like this, first stage being the red lines, second blue after we have taken the remainiing american city's and third the orange railroad to Greeks for the final blow.
 Attachment: roadmap.jpg
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04-10-2003 17:21
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It seems a waste to send all those units to bombay or detroit if we could bribe it with one diplomat. 
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