05-10-2003 00:56									#1
	"Newbie" Dip, Fall 1901 Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Apologies for the slight delay...

"Newbie" Dip, Fall 1901

NO PRESS RECEIVED

Orders received as follows:

Austria (Oerdin):
F Albania - Greece
A Serbia Supports F Albania - Greece
A Vienna - Galicia

England (Frozzy):
F London - English Channel (*Bounce*)
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Belgium
A Yorkshire - Belgium

France (foolish_icarus):
F Brest - English Channel (*Bounce*)
A Picardy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Spain - Marseilles

Germany (civman2000):
F Denmark - Sweden (*Bounce*)
A Kiel - Holland
A Ruhr Supports A Yorkshire - Belgium

Italy (chegitz):
A Piedmont Hold
A Rome - Tunis
F Tyrrhenian Sea Convoys A Rome - Tunis

Russia (laurentius):
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden (*Bounce*)
F Sevastopol Hold
A St Petersburg - Finland
A Warsaw - Ukraine

Turkey (- groucho -):
F Ankara - Constantinople
A Armenia - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Bulgaria Hold

No retreats

Status after Fall 1901 turn:

Ownership:

Austria: Budapest, Greece, Serbia, Trieste, Vienna.
England: Belgium, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Paris.
Germany: Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich.
Italy: Naples, Rome, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Moscow, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Smyrna.
Unowned: Norway, Portugal, Rumania, Spain, Sweden.

Adjustments:

Austria: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 2
England: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1
France: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Germany: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 2
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1
Russia: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1

Winter 1901 Builds due Sunday 5th October MIDNIGHT EST

Map to follow.

	05-10-2003 01:01									#2
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Map:

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	05-10-2003 05:56									#3
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Wow, no builds for two countries!

	05-10-2003 07:19									#4
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Yes.... been a slow start to the year, many unclaimed neutral SCs.

	05-10-2003 21:11									#5
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Roman Times pg 1:

PEACE IN OUR TIME!
King Victor Emanuel I today applauded the French decision to respect Spanish neutrality today. "No one wishes to see a war between the great European powers. We congratualate France on its decision to pull back from the brink of war in the Western Mediterranean. This means peace in our time."

Roman Times pg 43:
TROUBLE IN TUNIS
The Italian Prime Minster recived approval from Parliament today to send troops into Tunisia to protect Italian interests. A recent outbreak of Berber violence threatened Italian business interests. Cpt. Bruno Luzietti of the 2nd cavalry division said today, "We'll show those natives a taste of Italy they won't soon forget." At home, the Socialist Party threatened a strike to protest so-called, Italian Imperialism. We support the Prime Minster in any actions he must take to maintain civil order in the face of the anarchist threat!

Last edited by chegitz guevara on 05-10-2003 at 21:42

	06-10-2003 11:35									#6
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Now I get it. This game shouldnt be called "newbie-dip" its more like "beat-the-newbie-ass-game"

	06-10-2003 20:19									#7
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Yeah - there does seem to be an odd lack of conflict in central europe (aka the home of the non-newbies).

	06-10-2003 21:23									#8
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The key to the game is the name of the game.

Since you're newbies, I'm gonna tell you what you need to do.

Russia, Turkey, instead of fighting each other, you need to ally and move west.

France, you need an ally. You should have done whatever you could to secure England as a friend and been courting Italy at the same time, so that you could grab Spain and Portugal while being able to face Germany.

England is doing pretty well, but it should have been able to grab Norway last year.

Last edited by chegitz guevara on 06-10-2003 at 21:28

	06-10-2003 22:18									#9
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Getting your ass beat as a newbie is part of initiation It makes you tougher!

	07-10-2003 01:07									#10
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I've done what I could (within my own self-interest of course) to try to make friends with the newbies...

	07-10-2003 05:00									#11
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quote: Originally posted by orange Getting your ass beat as a newbie is part of initiation

1st time I ever played Diplomacy (this is the 3rd), I kicked ass.

	07-10-2003 20:35									#12
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Russia, Turkey, instead of fighting each other, you need to ally and move west.

That's conventional wisdom but it's also a terrible idea. The reason being is that it turns into Russia/Turkey vs the other five powers and R/T almost always loses.

	07-10-2003 20:43									#13
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BTW When are the winter 1901 builds due?

edit: Never mind. I saw the first post. So when will we find out who built what?

	07-10-2003 22:01									#14
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Well that depends. Especially with Italy heavily committed in the west, a R/T could steamroll Austria and put themselves in a good position if they secured G/E nuetrality.

	07-10-2003 22:33									#15
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Steamroller Austria when Russia has no builds and Turkey has 1 build? Remember that Germany gets two builds while England & Italy each get one build. Depending upon who builds what where it would be much safer for either Russia or Turkey to ally with Austria against the odd man out.

	07-10-2003 22:55									#16
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Sure, just support Russia into Rum and things start to fall into place provided that E/G leave him relatively alone. If not then if I was Turkey I'd try to pick up Sev and hope like hell that Italy gets done with France fast enough to bail me out when Austria starts looking for a second target.

	07-10-2003 23:35									#17
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I haven't even chosen a target yet so isn't it a bit early to start worrying about second targets?

	08-10-2003 15:04									#18
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Sorry about the delay guys, I moved back to Uni on Sunday, I've got an exam this afternoon and two essays to write for the end of the week. I will try to get them up tonight if possible, if not then definitely tomorrow...

	09-10-2003 04:46									#19
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No worries.

	10-10-2003 07:15									#20
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EiF must be really busy with work and school.

	10-10-2003 08:23									#21
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I will be gone over the weakend and will not be able to do any orders until early Tuesday (GMT).

	10-10-2003 17:19									#22
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Wow! Two day hangover!? How much are you going to drink this time!?

	11-10-2003 08:40									#23
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara 1st time I ever played Diplomacy (this is the 3rd), I kicked ass.

it's hard not to win when you're playing 6 year old girls

	11-10-2003 23:01									#24
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Bobby speaks from experience.

	12-10-2003 08:56									#25
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better than from out of my arse